Germany Has Been Left Behind – Leopard Armor, Missing 2A8 and the Decline of German Players

I don’t believe it’s known what varient they used @WreckingAres283 would have a better idea im not too familiar on 2a4 modernizations

Might want to check the thing out in game or at the very least on the wiki before making claims like that lmao

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Those are not gen 1.

Pretty sure he is speaking of it irl, as i remember well that the 2RI never specified to have gotten improved thermal sight, i know rare case of japan bias XD

This is an issue I’ve been pointing out for ages. While Germany has been getting a relatively steady (read as average) stream of additions, those additions are:

  1. Well behind the amount of vehicles going to the US and Russia in a typical update; and

  2. Largely absent above 10.7

Point 1 isn’t inherently an issue, as I’d like to see additions of new unique content be relatively equitable across all nations, but point 2 is significant.

I know you’re focusing on the Leopard 2a8, but I think it’s just as a important that Germany gets diverse lineups between 10,7 and 12.7 to help “bridge” the gap. Because right now, if you play 12.7, there’s a good chance you get teammates who are running 12.0 and 12.3 German Lineups with limited depth.

Germany as well over a dozen prototypes and demonstrator leopard 2’s that could help beef up those empty and orphaned line ups, and I hope we see some of those additions in the TT this year.

Unfortunately there are quite a few trees that aren’t getting any where near equitable attention, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

please explain to me how it is next lvl from what we have now?

its the addition of aps and lws, thats it.
There is no new rounds its gonna get most likely and even them DM73 has slightly bigger penetration nothing big.

You are highly overdramatising.

you say that like gajin cares about that, and doesnt use it as a balancing factor.

It uses the exact same rounds as the 2a7V. The DM83 isnt finished in development

It’s an all around better tank than the 2A7 that is already the best top tier tank in the game (122B+, HU)

Please give another nation in game that has the best MBT in game combined with an APS. If everyone else has to make sacrifice(s) when they decide to play a tank with APS, so should Germany.

It should came in game with the T-90M2 or the T-80BVM mod.2023 and whatever the other nations can offer in the same level

strv122s are different tanks. they are better armored.
Strv122 with the addtion of DM53 is now clearly better as 2a7V

The issue there still was that the Abrams doesnt have a sepv3 with throphy.
You are comparing apples with peaches.

T90M aps is clearly better, VT4a1 is clearly better then VT4 and so on.
You can compare tanks of different types

I don’t think we’ll see that until Gaijin can find some actually solid proof that the improved reverse actually exists.

Leo 2a8 comes for multiple nations sweden and germany. in the future dutch as well
And for sweden its the only APS option

From what ? The Regular T-90M? Absolutely not, And the 2A7 is out of question

T-90M arena is actually worse than the base T-90M since it loses the side relikt bags.

And Chinese players have to play the VT-4A1 if they want to play an APS tank, which is the sacrifice they make.

Maybe one day you’ll play MBTs at top tier other than the pretty easy mode Leo 2s and you’ll see.

And it’s also perfectly fine to not add the 2A8 until appropriate counterparts appear irl.

did that one even have APS?
Thats just drone jammers wasnt it

The sacrifice is playing it in the first place XD
Genuinely the most grueling unfun top tier tank along with T72B3 pre-UBH and B3A

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I am not sure about 23 but there is a modern T-80BVM that got upgraded this decade

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I can actually answer that, T80s didn’t got APS systems yet and the obr.2023 gameplay wise doesn’t add nothing other then another BVM value in lineup…although gaijin could circumveit this by adding the prototype T80UM-1 “Bars”

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played the type 90 to get the Hori plenty, was pretty fun

its not happening you know that yourself,
Its the easiest thing to do for MULTIPLE Nations.
Sweden having no other options, yeah sure give them a strv123A, and then they can wait another 2-3 years for another mbt

Yet still better protected by buffed ERA than a 2A7 and or 2A8 - besides that, I am pretty sure it could be added anytime as modification again. :)

Like a M1A2 with the excat same APS? Or a T-90M? Or a Merkava?

Some Nations simply don’t have a 1:1 counterpart as the doctrine differs massively, this argument is dead before we go into it.