And then those “those” realize that 11.0 consists of entire one puma vjtf.
And every single enemy player will have access to free 10.0 or 10.3 spaa. Not to mention spaa people bring with their own lineups.
I doubt it will. 2 agm65s with horrid optics (always zoomed in) <<< 2 kh29t with variable zoom + 2 kh25ml guided through kh29t optics. Not even mentioning their speed and damage.
Su25t, su25bm, a6e, mig27m/k and su24m beg to differ. Also you can climb high enough to prevent spaa from seeing you with radar and then dump kh25 and kh29 while slowly going down with airbrake on. Unless its somebody really stubborn or tor m1 with its 60+ deg scan angle.
Should be around 5km for both.
You are relying on it too much. In most cases if you get hit you a) lose your weaponry b) do few backflips and die c) lose your weaponry and lose any leftovers of agility
As for the overall post… Sure… for GRB only, Su-22 is probably the stronger aircraft due to having guided weapons (though I personally really want a 10.0 Tornado IDS for Britain to use in GRB, low level carpet bomb runs look like fun in a Tonka and its not doable at 11.7). But for ARB/ASB. Tonka is definetly the better aircraft.
Much better FM + digital RWR means phantom can actually live long enough to launch the mavs.
With exception of A-6E i cant even remember last time i saw some of these in battle, and others to live long enough to actually make use of their saclos weapons and remain unmolested by SPAA.
None of them have weapons that outrange OSA.
If you can get to that alt, sure. How many sorties will you do like this tho? One if absolutely everything goes your way, no one dedicated starts you hunting with SPAA nor no one spawns a plane and you survive long enough to get to airfield to rearm? Game will be over by the time you climb again to such alt.
By the time youre done i will be on my forth turn around with phantom, doing low level approach to AO, dipping above multipath to attack, dipping back down and then going to rearm.
Its a terrible habit to learn since once OP reaches top tier, his options are to either do what i described in Phantom, have Kh38MTs or fly LDIRCM heli.
And get less potential kills. Also rwr is neat but isnt everything considering you can quickly check map with kh29 optics. Plus it still ignores irst trackers and non radar stuff for obvious reasons.
I dont think this means anything considering average players performance.
It doesnt make them unplayable or smth. Even su25k does its job with s25o, rendering and desync issues.
I do this every game in israeli f4e and it works like charm in most cases. Same goes for tram but I do that for skipper range, not stealth. Even corsair e can do this despite being subsonic. And it doesnt take tons of luck.
It doesnt take that much time. And its not as risky mostly. And top attack kh29 and kh25 will have much more chances to score a kill than side/front aspect agm65b launched from low alt. So its bit slower 4 almost guaranteed frags vs 2 maybe frags.
Its just tactic that works on that aircraft and on that br. Not a habit. On top tier OP will use different tactics, airframe and weapons choice. Thats if OP desires to play top tier in first place and watch all their munitions get shot down by 1 sm sv.
But you can potentionally do more sorties total since better survivability allows for it.
Black and white low res camera will NEVER be as effective defensive tool as digital RWR.
Duh.
But still id say its better and quicker to know what threat youre facing by quick glance on RWR while still retaining situational awarness of 3rd person vs. going to missile optic and manually scanning the map for threats.
This isnt as much about player performance as how it is about frequency with which ive met thise planes in games.
Not saying it does make them unplayable but much harder to use.
Simple fact is the need to keep LoS will limit your defensive options greatly.
But Su25 hardly climbs to 5km and fires those rockets at range similiar to SACLOS AGMs, no?
Majority of Su25 with S250 does low level approach, dumps their payload which they dont have to guide, and dips.
It still hinges on uncontested airspace.
Just by pure logic, faster phantom flying level will take less time to reach AO and airfield than one that needs to both climb and cross the same or similiar distance and then descend on its way back.
IF you get to launch all of your missiles.
That still hinges on uncontested airspace to work.
I can keep doing low level approach no matter the BR.
Well in this specific case OP plays germany so you have a point but unless its russia vs russia player can just play russia and not face the biasmobile.
In which case the biggest threat becomes IRIS-T SLM unless player is in LDIRCM heli.
Maybe even per multiple sorties considering random nature of agm65 damage.
Can agree with this. But still its not end of the world if you at least have optics.
Harder to use but gets you more kills so I guess its fair trade off. Also you dont need defense when you are slowly descending above enemies which dont even know or forgot you exist.
Bad example I guess. You can take su25bm with its funky rwr and missiles that dont outrange osa. It still works very well. Harder to use but has greater kill potential if you know what are you doing.
Yes but this is rarely an issue.
Unless pulse doppler f4j/f4s or mig23ml with mti shows up. But that is also rare event.
Also if high alt approach becomes unavailable, su22m4 can also switch to low level one. 2 much better fnf if spaa is up and 2 las agms if none is up or you are in blind zone.
Well true, in that case there isnt much skill or tactics needed.
Id say its mamba. But not for jet itself. Rather for its munitions. Same for helis. You can evade but your missiles will get intercepted and you will spend some time stripping launchers ammo.