No they have changed that half a year ago and all nations get stock apfsds in rank 8 including the US with their 3 abrams. The Leo2 A5, A6, A7V and PSO have all apfsds stock aswell
The 11.0 Abrams dont have stock apfsds because they aren’t rank 8 but so do most rank 7 tanks
Rank 7s not getting stock APFSDS is in even bigger issue because gajin’s favorite tanks (e.g T80) get stock APFSDS, but not tanks like Abrams.
If you are going to be incorrect, at least try to be convincing. There are two T-80s that get stock APFSDS, which are the T-80BVM (rank 8) and the Swedish T-80U (rank 8). This is exactly the same as every other nation except Britain and Sweden (T-90S, TTD, CT-CV 105HP, and Finnish 2A4 don’t).
Lol your argument goes from DM11 is way weaker than M551’s HE, and when you got dirpoven you instead say Leo 2 is too short to hit weakspots. It isn’t too short, you just don’t want to learn how to hit weakspots. The M551 is shorter than Leo 2 iirc and I have 0 problems hitting weakspots.
Oh mb, I didn’t realise the T80s were moved up ranks. Either way there’s still rank 7s with stock APFSDS, e.g Strv 121. The chalengers also get stock APFSDS, but the only other option for them is HESH, and Britain sux anyway so idc.
It also still sucks that M1A1 HC (11.3) doesn’t get stock APFSDS, meanwhile the T80U (11.0) gets stock APFSDS just bc a crappy rank system. The Abrams, despite being higher Brs, are lower ranks just bc Gajin loves to screw them.
Which it is.
and when you got dirpoven you instead say Leo 2 is too short to hit weakspots .
Short? I guess you haven’t mastered the English language yet. You also didn’t disprove of me, all you did was show that DM11 can kill an M1 under unrealistic circumstances, so, uh, cope.
It isn’t too short, you just don’t want to learn how to hit weakspots.
M1s cupola is near unhitable if you’re on level ground, that’s why everyone will aim for the gunner sight instead, and DM11 cannot overpressure the M1 via that with DM11, you really have no idea what you’re talking about, Jesus.
The M551 is shorter than Leo 2 iirc and I have 0 problems hitting weakspots.
The M551 doesn’t have for a specific weakpoint like the Leopard 2 with its DM11, it can just aim for the gunner sight and be done with it.
That’s why the amount of the HE filler is the most important. DM11 simply doesn’t have enough of it to be useful. Then again, how would you know this when you haven’t played anything but the US? (And you even disregard actual in-game example of DM11 being worse than M551s HE round, but you choose to ignore it and pretend like you know better) Meanwhile I regularly use the Leopard 2s DM11s and T-80BVMs HE, and the latter actually works, the former doesn’t.
Seriously just stop talking, you’re embarrassing yourself.
What are you on about? This has been like this since they made rank 8 get stock APFSDS. I don’t get why you are trying to single out America; EVERY nation with rank 7s is affected by this. Type 90, Type 90B, Type 90B (Fuji), TKX P, Merkava Mk.3B / Mk.3C / Mk.3D, Ra’am Sagol, Leclerc, Leclerc S2, Ariete, Ariete PSO, Centauro 120, Centauro RGO, MBT-2000, ZTZ99 II, ZTZ99 III, T-80U, T-80UE, T-80UK, T-72B3, and 2A4M are all 10.7 or higher with stock HEATFS. This is NOT Gaijin “screwing” the Abrams. Hell, this is more consistent than they have been before stock APFSDS was added.
Poor poor pitiful China who all their rank 7s are 10.7 & lower, or Britain who has stock APFSDS for all their challes, or Sweden who has APFSDS on eveyr rank 7 aside from their Leo 2A4 and SPAA.
America suffers together with France and Italy lol with the only rank 7 America gets with APFSDS being the HSTV-L of all tanks. Heck, France only even has 3 rank7s at all, one being an SPAA and the other is foldered. France only needs to go through 1 single rank 7 grind to APFSDS. Israel is the same in only needing 1 grind to APFSDS, unless you count the Namer.
Again they can kill through all the same weakspots, you just refuse to learn HE.
Dude you’re just embarassing yourself.
I never had problems hitting while using T80’s HE, which BTW is shorter than the Leo 2.
Ngl at this point idk if you’re purposefully being biased/ignorant or if you’re extremely bad at WT. DM11 works fine.
Gonna ignore Israel, Japan, and Russia? Still don’t get what you mean by “grind 1.” If you are talking about getting the next vehicle with stock APFSDS, you are wrong. Israel needs 3, France needs 2, Japan needs 5, Russia needs 5, Italy needs 5, and China needs 5. You need to get every MBT in most cases to even unlock rank 8, especially in the minor trees.
I dont understand why you are trying to push “america suffers”, most of the time its exactly the same for others.
Strange, I thought this was about hitting Abrams cupola. You seriously have 0 argument.
Lol well keep crying “muuh Germany sufferss!!!” cause everyone knows you’re just delusional.
America suffers together with France and Italy lol with the only rank 7 America gets with APFSDS being the HSTV-L of all tanks. Heck, France only even has 3 rank7s at all, one being an SPAA and the other is foldered. France only needs to go through 1 single rank 7 grind to APFSDS. Israel is the same in only needing 1 grind to APFSDS, unless you count the Namer.
Atleast get original and dont copy paste your reply, put it in chatgpt or something.
Atleast finish reading a sentence and not just the first 5 words lol.
Literally, nothing you said makes sense. If you are talking about modifications, it wouldn’t work, nor would it be about unlocking rank 8 tanks. Everything you have said in this entire thread is either flawed, a half-truth, or flat-out wrong/misinformation.
“Only one tank to unlock APFSDS.” As in, you can research a rank 8 tank if you have enough other tanks to unlock rank 8? Sure, but in 90% of situations, you either have to sacrifice everything except MBTs or are forced to get them regardless, so that point is void. All non-stock APFSDS are available in the first rank outside of Israel, so that doesn’t make sense either.
The point is most nations either have stock APFSDS, a powerful alternative (Russia e.g obviously has very good HEATFS), or only need to grind a single rank7 tank (France and Israel). The only odd ones out are America and Italy who suffer together, and China who only has 10.7 and lower at rank 7.
No, you don’t. In Israel, you need to get three vehicles to even unlock rank 8 to get stock APFSDS, which, up until this update, forced you to get all MBTs. A similar situation exists with France unless you want to play with a single 11.7 tank and a 9.7 SPAA that’s useless vs anything at +11.7. Let’s also not forget that getting foldered vehicles requires significantly less RP than getting a non-foldered vehicles.
Almost every single nation requires you to grind at least two MBTs at rank 7 with stock HEATFS before you can even start researching rank 8, unless you want to severely degrade your lineup for little incentive.
Israel has 4 rank 7s, 2 of them don’t even need APFSDS, and one is foldered. You only need to grind one APFSDS to get to rank 8. France is the same where it has a foldered lerlec. wtf argument were you tryna make? Both nations your mentioned were minor nations with practically no rank 7 lineup.
No player would ever realistically grind a 9.7 SPAA or 10.3 IFV when the MBT is less RP and more effective at grinding the next tank. While sure, you don’t “need” to grind more than one MBT to get rank 8, it would actively hurt your lineup if you do. Your argument makes no sense. You are still trying to push your “America suffers” narrative while literally every other nation with stock HEATFS is in the same boat.
Every situation you have mentioned would require the player to either grind with a non-functional lineup, endure the RP debuff, or waste a massive amount of time that no logical player ever would.
You ignored the others, not my fault.
Horrible take
