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Is there someting you dont understand? Here is explanation:
ZSU-37 --------> 160 shots/min with 87 pen at 3.3 br
Kugelblitz ----> 150 shots/min with 77 pen at 3.0 br (counting only AP shots because of no AP belt)
And
L-62 ANTI II -----> 120 shots/min with 68 APHE pen at 3.3 br
Ostwind II --------> 250 shots/min with 49 APHE pen at 2.7 br
just let me know for more explanations
My dude, those vehicles are AAs, not TDs.
They are neck and neck in mobility.
Lol.
Wake up, historical matchmaking isn’t a thing for years now.
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Did you smoke something before posting this? Like actually what am I reading? Move the wiesel with gen 3 thermals to 5.3??? The kugelblitz with a fully armored ball turret is “worse” than the ZSU-37??? Seriously did you even think before you posted this?
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Of course they are AA and not TDs.
This is how Gaijins is ranking BR. Based on penetration and speed and armor.
I would love to use Kugelblitz agance LA-5 or LA-7. But because its 6.7 i am forced to play agance jets
Why? because it has 77 penetration, that is why. Which is the same reason why it was in 7.0 for 9 years, but back then. there was no jets and pen was 90+ mm. Now there is no excuse anymore keeping Kugelblitz as 6.7 with tons of faster vehicles having better pen and yet fighting much slower planes and tanks in low BR.
historical matchmaking is a mess That is another reason why we should keep ww2 equipment together and not throwing them in front of HEATFS and jets from 70s
Kugelblitz with 150 rpm and at 3.0 br. ?
No, Gaijin is balancing vehicles by their earnings, which pretty much correlates to total performance.
Kugelblitz has plethora of advantages when compared to ZSU-37.
There is no historical matchmaking.
You seems to need much deeper explanation. But that is why i am here, don’t worry.
Kugelblitz was build in ww2 to fight agance Alied aircraft like la-5 or spirfire. Currently its fighting agance jets and guided missiles.
Gaijin will more vehicles up or down based on average kill ration. If there is someting too OP like TERMINATOR if will get up tiered in next patch.
Kugelblitz got uptiered over last 11 years many times thanks to light vehicles. With more light vehicles players with Kugelblitz had more kills and this resulted in higher BR again and again.
So now Kugelblitz cannot kill any plane anymore, its facing cold war monsters and its origfinal purpos to kill la-5 is gone.
Meanwhile, there were added much stronger vehicles with better autocannons.
So yes Kugelblitz is better platform to kill planes than ZSU-37. But NO, that is not why gaijing is moving BR up and donw in ground battles. its usualy because of pen and number of kills.
Gaijin was started on WW2, then switched to cold war and now primarly working on modern stuff. Now we have lot of pay to wins vehicles specialy at Russia tech tree.
Kugelblitz has advanaged to kill planes, ZSU-37 has advanaged to kill everything else.
There is no reason to have BR difference of 3.3 vs 6.7 with pretty similiar vehicles from ww2.
yes, look at this
Kugelblitz --------> 150 shots/min with 77 pen at 3.0 br
L-62 ANTI II -----> 120 shots/min with 79 pen as 3.3 br
ZSU-37 ------------> 160 shots/min with 87 pen at 3.3 br
They aren’t pretty similar, which is why one is at 6.7 while other is 3.3.
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They are pretty similiar in speed, useless armor (you will be killed by any planes with .50) and amount of of AP rounds per second with 77 mm of pen. If this is not similiar then tell what is that ultimate significant differerence that makes Kugelblitz fight jets.
IF you want to talk about vehicles amazing for killing planes, much better than ww2 Kugelblitz and yet still lower BR then how do you explaing this
- br 6.0 BTR-ZD 800 shots/min with 51mm pen
- br 5.3 SUB-I-II 1,030 shots/min with 66mm pen
- br 5.7 ZSD63/PG87 600 shots/min with 63mm of pen
- br 6.0 R3 T20 FA-HS 996 shots/min with 57mm of pen
and more
All of them are better than Kugelblitz in speed, turret rotation, stabilizers, incredible fire rate, long belts and not just 100 rounds. And yet, not even one is close to 6.7 BR where Kugelblitz is.
Lol PBV got nerfed to 38mm pen this patch should probs update that
As for your post overall I agree with some points but I honestly think you miss 90% of the rest (seriously kugel to 3.0 LOL), in most of your comparisons you skip the fact that a lot of these vehicles are just useless SPAA only good at TD or are mid at TD and SPAA but hold a legacy BR pre nerf.
I do think you could make a solid argument but imo I feel this post needs to be redone in a lot of your comparisons where they feel like more of a long rant/tangent post of someone who’s very hot headed and is just looking at bare stats without playing them.
Thanks for response. I played of course all of the mentioned vehicles. My favorited is R3 T20 FA-HS… the lenght of ammo belt, turret rotation, stabilizer is just amazing not only for planes but also for anything lightly armored.
This is why i started this post, its incredible how inbalanced Kugelblitz is and when i started thinking about this. Whole german ww2 AA is wrong. How can one nation have someting incredible as SUB-I-II and another nation Ostwind II as same br 5.3.
IF you want to help remake the post i will be happy, i dont really have experience with posting stuff. Showing raw stats as a comparsion was my best idea to show how inbalance system is and i know from past that usualy gaijin will move vehicle because it has too much pen to different BR, so i choosed pen as a main marker.
i love me the the Sub-i-II but it’s not an anti air, it’s an IFV marked as an anti air also the Sub-i-II can get .30 caled from the sides
Definitely more armor, much better gun handling, almost 3x more fire rate, isn’t open top…
You’re focusing way too much on pen and it shows.
40, 50, 100 and 120 rounds per belt is far from those “long belts” you’re talking about.
SUB and R3 only have one 20mm cannon and don’t really have better gun handling than Kugelblitz.
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i Agree with you.
Poor Ostwind II will get killed by anything and anti air performance and kinda meh due to slow fire rate… Stuff like M42 br 4.0 is similiar idea but better in everything both agance planes and agance tanks, thanks to much lower BR.
Idk, I quite like the Ostwind 2 because the velocity is peak
I think that’s something you should mention in your post because you don’t mention it.
Hypothetically let’s say Swedish had the Ostwind but it used the L/60 Bofors vs the duster with its 40mm.
Give them identical fire rate and ammo amount per mag.
I wouldn’t touch the Swedish L/60 because they have the worst velocity of all 40mm guns in warthunder. They simply aren’t good for AA and only serve to work as a TD.
IE not worth playing
Velocity for ammo is a huge factor in a vehicles performance
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