Yes and higher calibers will likely remain lacking even if they improve the consistency of guns damage.
Since they use for whatever reason the same frag coef as 20mm’s (which is already low even for 20mm standards).
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Yeah, putting several different shells and calibers into the same goddamn basket.
Like the APDS/APFSDS spall pattern (of course it also depends on shell type, but you know what I’m talking about) which is the same for 57 and 25mm or something like that.
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Yeah ik what you mean.
I remember showing the comparison to a friend of mine a couple months ago, it’s comical lol.
DEFA 30mm HEI
Type 99 Mk 1 HEF
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I just 1-shot Bf 109 G6 with a Shvak. His entire wing departed.
I mean, I get similar results after landing around 6-8 MG151/20 shells to 1 wing, hahaha.
Too bad replays don’t load so I can’t just post a video of it happening. Maybe tomorrow.
Anyway, single Shvak feels like more than enough for WT air combat.
EDIT:
HERE IT IS:
Single hit, wing GONE.
2 minutes earlier I 1-shot Bf 109 F4, but this case is more clear-cut.
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Just as Stalin intended.
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Real sh*tter 3.0 is truely a marvel of modern game design.
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Well, we probably can’t go back anymore.
You can’t take away one shot APHE and people would go nuts when they fire a burst into a planes wing and it doesn’t immediately crash into the ground.
We are just stuck with arcade damage mechanics in a game that pretends to be more than that.
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The worst part for me, is I love when I score the kill after a long burst and enemy drops without disintegrating in a realistic fashion. Blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam, explosions go from one side to the other, small pieces fly off, pilot tries to control the aircraft but fails and crashes. Happens super rarely and mostly because loss of elevator control (which is just a “hit” by modern WT standards).
I recently witnessed a tank kill that was realistic by pure accident.
Dude in T-34 got hit in the engine, and managed to roll for quite some time while burning and it got hit again very soon after and exploded.
This is how most ammo explosions work IRL (with no need for 2nd hit) - tank first burns and keeps moving and only after a few seconds there’s a big boom.
The point is, the destruction of that T-34 felt extremely satisfying.
Meanwhile most aircraft kills feel totally “meh”. I hit once whole tail comes off, I have no joy of consistent gunnery, what I see is nothing like real-life gun camera. It feels like cheap toys slugging it out.
It’s just sad.
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incredible damage right there
i actually proceeded to outturn him lmao
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the german 20 mm are even worser than the 12.7 mm.
14 rounds to kill a bf110 and i think i missed most of them…
its such a joke how bad the mineshells are, compared to everything else…
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While shvak dish out. These russian 20mm cannons seem to be the best vs air among all WW2 planes. Its very hard to play against them in air rb and arcade as well.
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Yup.
And if somebody thinks adding real sh*tter to German shells helps anything…
…think again.
1st HVAP, 2nd M-geschoss.
Kugel uses real sh*tter. Also Kugel’s 30mm don’t fuse on wood, because they are 0,1mm sensitive. But this one fused alright, if it didn’t, it would do no damage whatsoever.
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Maybe 20mm M-geschoss is not great, but at least MK108 is absolute dogshit.
Same thing happened 1 match earlier, F8F casually tanked MK108 and just shrugged it off,. so it’s a norm.
Gotta love this game.
It seems like the fixed the AN M2/3
Its been like this for 3 days:
But they forgot the germans for now
To meright now it looks like this:
- low caliber HE is generally overperforming like hell (lets ignore plywood bug and non-real shatter 3.0 guns)
- medium and large caliber HE is underperforming hilariously and this applies to real shatter and non real shatter guns.
And remember, getting “guns and damage right” is one of the most important things in any shooter game. Here it’s not just bugged. It’s just done wrong.
BTW can’t watch yout video on my phone :(
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I uploaded it wrong, now it should work
That’s how they worked for years with short periods of uselessness during the real sh*tter implementation.
These guns are absolutely busted and just like Shvak, a single shell will delete a plane if it hits right.
The worst part is, the community is absolutely happy with it and when I asked to tone it down I heard people don’t want useless guns, because suggestion to, you know, reward good and consistent gunnery is just too much. 5 shells to rip a wing off? Preposterous!!!
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Ngl, im part of those that are happy with the change, and i hope every cannons gets the same treatment, i was so tired and frustrated that i was dying because of game bullshit.
Having to spend +100 cannon rounds on someone and dying bc im still with the same enemy that should be dead 30 seconds ago, allowing even more enemys get good position on me was not fun.
Right now im having the most fun with american cannons that i had in like the last 2 years.
They sure are kinda op, but i prefeer this instead of what we had
First of all, where the HELl did you get the idea of 100 hits to down anyone?
2nd thing: are you fine with 23, 30mm and 37mm being useless pieces of manure, as 20mm insta-deletes planes anyway?
Ok.
4 cannon armanent with RS 3.0 is essentialy a waste of space, as single cannon basically deletes everything anyway.
Also nothing feels better than US player spamming his cannons from 1100m away in an energy trap, eventually he scores 1 hit and I’m dead because dude landed 1 shell out of hundreds he fired in my direction.
MG151/20 scoring 4 hits to the wing and not ripping it off is OK to me. I can land more. But I’m not OK with the fact that a single RS 3.0 20mm hit will do more damage than that.
Back when XP-50 had airspawn, I had 0 problems downing planes with 2 Browning MGs. Why? Because if you get into proper firing position, you’ll absolutely shred the enemy.
But hey, who needs that, if you catch the enemy for 0,1s with a single cannon, he’ll die anyway.
=/=