Ger. Leopard 2a8 no LWS?

how i love you right now, someone actualy remembered what i am preaching the whole time and is able to correct others as well

Eurosatory pretty much only was a showcase of “plans”, in the sense that they were to lazy to put a 2a7V with odean right next to it. It just looks better on the newest toy.
Thats why no broschure actualy mentions the odaeon for 2a8s.
Right now the system is only approved for integration in 2a7V for testing in the future leo 3 project.

Might they decide later on to put it on the 2a8? maybe, but thats plans for the future

just to make sure, ODEAON is a bigger system with the LDRCIM dome sound/visuell detection.
LWS alone doesnt have a name i think

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yeah its just a small part of the system

what do you make of the “Da die Optikdetektion auf dem physikalischen Prinzip des
Katzenaugeneffekts beruht, kann somit die Funktionsweise des MUSS übernommen werden.” part, it sounds to me a bit like they want to conduct automated target detection using computer vision.

thats a bit how i understand it as well, depending how the light gets into the optics they can gather several data out of it. Its a very complex system.
To point out, the base with the indents, should be the odaeon optic detection part.
The top is the LDRICM dazzler
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yeah the sensors will likely look similarly to the MUSS 2.0 ones

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hmm i think i am a bit confused regarding the specific poition of the ODAON myself, it might be placed together with the jammer in the dome itself

i mean i feel they should since this is small compared to a whole plane on order cough cough RAM II

yeah now im confused too

this states ODEON is based on the MUSS 2.0 jammer head but will be fusioned with MUSS technology

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This is the ELBIT sensor from the Norwegian one
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Its the same they showed during the Eurosatory display with the ODEON sensor head

So another clue that this is not a unofficial german one

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i think it would be this then? as from what ive gathered ODEON is only that jammer head, but not any internal systems or LWS and stuff

as ODEAON is only based on the jammer head
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so assuming it would be integrated with the rest of the MUSS 2.0 stuff isnt too far fetched me thinks (Specially backend/internal components wise)

could be me tweaking tho

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Zenturion1’s example of just the differences between 2A8 and 2A8NO


Eurosatory 2024 or before version of 2A8

Eurosatory 2026 version of the 2A8

So two things are possible. Look at the boxes next to the APS.

1: Neither has LWS, and the cameras shown are for the APS, so the 2A8NO should have LWS removed.

2: Both have LWS, and Germany has been cheated unnecessarily, so the 2A8 should get LWS.

Another theory: separately, the tower on the Eurosatory 2026 model is a mockup of MUSS 2.0

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This means the Leopard 2A8 will eventually have (in theory) MUSS 2.0. I guess we’ll find out.

For the time being, however, this absolutely obscene, unfair difference between the 2A8 and 2A8NO needs to be removed. Either both or neither have LWS, but one cannot have it while the other does not.

Nope
Press release of The leopard 2A8 for Germany in 2025.

The tank shown at Eurosstory 2024 was a demonstrator which was before used to a show Trophy integration on a Leopard 2. Predating the 2A8

Based on the configuration with the El it LWS that Germany doesn’t use

What?

Leopard 2A8NO in Norway mounting the Elbit LWS

Can you at least read the thread before copy pasting the same wrong information over and over again

Show me where the LWS is, then. You can’t just attach a photo of a 2A8NO that shows no visible difference and use it to make a baseless claim.

Screenshot_2026-11-02-00-33-38-09_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12
Literally there

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This is the German Leopard 2A8 at Eurosatory 2026. It has the exact same thing. Did you read my comment before you replied?

This isnt the German version though

It’s a display tank at Eurosatory 2026

Have you read what I wrote?

Do we know why we know that it is not the German Version?

Because all sources state that it will have a domestic LWS which the Eurosatory display tank does not

Even if your claim is true, you do understand how prototypes work, right? It was constructed and owned by Germany, so I’m not really sure why you think this thing just doesn’t exist. It has the technology and has been installed.

or how about this model? The blocks are there.

Also, what is your source for the claim that the Eurosatory 2026 model isn’t an official model?

It was constructed and displayed by a company

It is not a prototype owned by the BAAINBw or used by it

Once again, feel free to cite sources.

Leopard 2A7A1 Display model shown during Eurosatory 2022 same as the one later shown in 2024

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fair enough, explains why 2A8 2022 felt wrong. What about my/your other claims?

Here, check this out. Not the best source, unfortunately, but I’ll search more later.

https://militaeraktuell.at/en/super-tanks-at-eurosatory-26-knds-leopard-2a8/

“The Leopard 2A8 is not a prototype, but an actual product from KNDS Germany.”