Mw I’m having games where I sit in my zsu having 0 contact for 20min, or 5min till I got tanks in spawn. How?
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slightly annoyed its at 8.7 where theres no lineup for it but im not playing my 8.3 that often anymore sooo
Better it have no lineup than be at 8.3.
7mms penning me from the side 20mm ap penning from the front having little ammo no reverse gear having -2 gun depression the za35 is 8.3 so is the chieftain marksman the tradeoff for the za35 having no armour is speed and good gd while the trade for having no armour is having good fcs and a traceless ammo
wait when did they add CONTROLLED SUSPENSION???
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pgz09 has about same capabilities as amx 30 dca. You only have 40 rounds of aphe/apds (if you take ahead as primary) and then you have 440 rounds of ahead rounds which is nowhere near capable of killing mbts, but it can kill light tanks and such, atleast thats my experience.
As i have both amx 30 dca, and pgz09 (with having less games on pgz09), i would deem both 8.7 worthy, one doesnt have an easy time shooting planes, but kills tanks really well, and other one cant kill tanks as easy, but kills planes really well, just a trade off.
If PGZ09 would be 9.3 i have no clue who would take it over PGZ04A which is IMO better
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Yeah buddy keep making bs excuses, i literally show you prove of the fact that you can guide them while you move, you were the one claiming otherwise not me, if you lack the ability to use MCLOS missiles, just say so, the fact is that you can kill those spaag well beyond their effective range if you cant use that, this is a you issue…
I will stop replying as any more interaction with with you as it is pretty much meaningless, since you resort to personal attacks when you ran out of arguments.n
I’m kind of astounded that anyone could say something so stupid. the AMX-3 DCA is worse than the PGZ09 is essentially every way.
-Apart from the guns being better, the ammo gaijin gave the PGZ09 make the DCA ammo look like a pile of dogshit. the APHE, the round that will get you almost all of your ground kills has like 50% higher pen and a bigger charge. It also has it’s broken AHEAD round, which is the main reason it should be 9.3. Not only does it’s AHEAD round by itself have better pen than the APHE of the DCA, it has no tracer so you can knock out planes from ridiculous ranges because that don’t even know you’re firing, and i’m not even sure if there are any RWR aircraft at 8.7, if you’re using RADAR and not IRST.
-It’s faster with a much better power to weight ratio.
-Not only is it’s RADAR absolutely shit on the DCA’s but it get seperate search and tracking radars, which the DCA noticably doesn’t get.
-It’s better protected than the DCA, which is really shouldn’t be. either due to gaijin being inept or stupid the multiple layers of very thin steel either stop rounds, have low calibre rounds detonate between armour, allow rounds to pass through without spalling, or have parts block shots and/or spalling.
-It get’s adjustable suspension, which is really good if you’re the camping type.
-It might get the lowest BR second generation thermals in the game
-It also gets IRST search and tracking.
It is better than the PGZ04A, It’s better against ground and the AHEAD makes it better against air too, mainly because the HN-6 suck.
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I never said they couldn’t move, they can obviously move, they’re literally flying. But you altering course by 2 degrees while firing at a stationary target that isn’t firing and that you know exactly where it is isn’t manouevering or a realistic scenario is it?
Looks like you’re running, cope more.
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You literally said it buddy, looks like someone have memory issues and is desperate to leave on top of an internet discussion after they got corrected…
No. Just no. Anyone with a shred of common sense would entirely disagree with you. “PGZ09 is equal to M247” is a terrible ragebait.
Are you seriously saying Russia has an spaa between 8.3 and 10.0 on the same plane of existence as the gepard?
The Shilka works just fine, and the higher RoF ensures planes don’t just fly between your shells.
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It has significantly worse mobility, radar, and ability to fight ground vics with like 20% less pen on the base rounds, and doesn’t carry a small belt of sabot. Gepard plays like a dream compared to this shitbox.
largely irrelevant
Gepard radar is wildly inaccurate as well
we’re talking about anti-air
With a Shilka you won’t have planes flying perfectly fine between your shells because each gun only fires at 550rpm. The extra range is worthless since anyone with eyes can see your giant white tracers coming towards them.
Mobility is not irrelevant, were are talking it takes literally seconds to get behind cover in the zsu with how slow it is, gepard is almost instant.
Have you ever played a zsu? The radar is one of the worst in the game and takes about 10 seconds to do a 360 rotation, and can barely keep track on targets 4km away. And you dont get to play anti air, you sit in your spawn and you have to defend against spawn campers, you go off to a corner of the map and you get hunted as well, being able to defend yourself matters alot. Playing something like the roland slinger or OSA is pure misery because you just die all the time to ground units no matter where you position.
It has more rounds going out, but they are not even close to the velocity the gepards which means your effective range for gun kills is much shorter.
I would rather be in the 8.3 gepard than the 9.3 zsu any day of the week. I can’t shoot at helis nearly as far, the missiles are useless against anyone that has a brain and doesn’t get low energy at altitude or has flares and uses them, the radar is basically just a tracking radar and not a good one.
Context seems to be a bit difficult for you. are you going to try and argue that what i was saying is that the aircraft had to literally be stationary? “looks like someone have [sic]” learning difficulties.
Go on, use your words. explain why you think that the M247 is at least one BR deviation better than the PGZ09.
Really, the PGZ09 is better or equal to the M247 in almost every way.
Theyre equal vehicles imo, m247 is better for a2a but its on a shit chassis and is inconsistent st best against armored targets.