I think the Ho-Ni III was suppose to have increased horizontal traverse too. Its current gun arc makes it a bit uncomfortable to play.
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The targeting units (KCU) of the Type 93 SAM and Type 11 SAM are equipped with the same IFF antenna as the Stinger.
So why is the existence of these antennas ignored, and why is it assumed that they lack IFF functionality?
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Just call MMPM by datalink.
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still no AV-8 in the tree…
it’s so over
The real appearance of mass-produced Ho-Ro ?!
https://x.com/Taki2121/status/1856928831245787456
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The differences in the gun shield and rear ammo rack are quite noticeable
I’m sure there are many photos out there of rare and poorly understood tanks, mostly belonging to families or organization who don’t realize their significance. Like the Chi-Ho
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- Figure 27 is the prototype model.
- Figure 27-2 is apparently a prototype that was completed with a unique ammunition box, I don’t have any images or further information on this one.
- Figure 27-3 is the production model.
Here are a few extra photos of the production version.
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After capture by Americans
There are apparently 5 production model vehicles being assembled at Mitsubishi’s Shimomaruko Plant in this image.
In this well known photo we can see a production Ho-Ro in the background.
Here are the frontal differences between the prototype (left) and production (right) vehicles. The extra bolts on the prototype are an easy to notice difference.
Due to this difference in bolts we can see that the Ho-Ro in the famous Chi-To images taken by the 28th Tank Regiment in Chiba city is actually a production model.
Another photo of a captured production model.
Taki does say that photographs of the production version are rare, but considering that they were captured postwar I’d reckon there’s a few more out there.
A model of the production version.
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My source is this modeling blog I stumbled across a few months ago, I linked the Ho-Ro articles but there is plenty more in the way of information and rare photos to see :)
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I haven’t done much research on the Ho-Ro and always thought the one with Ho-Ni style shields were the only version built which is also what we have in the game.
Now that i realized there is a production version so the real question is … GAIJIN WHEN !?
Anyway that ammunition box is seriously massive, i’m wondering if all the ammo were put in that thing was to free up the fighting compartment.
Also the ones that were sent into the frontlines, were they just mass-produced types or did the prototypes also ended up there ?
This one looks like a prototype.
Also this only surviving vehicle is a captured prototype, so apparently it was sent outside of Japan too.
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I’m honestly not sure if it’s really a prototype version, considering how many were made. Methinks it was just an “early” version, that the later version later supplanted. But hey, I’d need to see the production numbers to be sure
At least 5 of the late version were produced as evidenced by the factory photo, but it’s entirely possible that more had been or were being constructed by war’s end as I believe that a quota of 50 units was actually ordered.
Don’t quote me but I recall that 3 of the early version vehicles were sent to the Philippines, but only 2 of them actually arrived (or?) saw combat. Allegedly 12 in total were produced, although some original documentation to confirm this would be nice.
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Cool another Ho-ro version would be nice addition to the game. Or we could finally get Ho-To
Also why the hell was ho-ro depresion lowered from -10 to -5° ? Theres literally cut out gap for those another 5° under the gun.
The top elevation follows the cut out for the gun so why not the depresion?
While things like Ho-Ni might have even -15 ° irl
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Hold up thats screen from game? I thought Ho-Ni has only 10° depresion in game. Even tho irl it has 15°.
This is from the devserver. They are buffing the Ho-Ni I gun depression in the upcoming update.
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Cool. I was always saying it has greater depression irl. Tho why not give Ho-Ro back its -10°? It literally has gap for it.
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Another recently buffed TD was the Type 5 Na-To that i think many people missed.
It received slightly more penetration to its APHE and -3 degree more gun depression (from -8 to -10)
Regarding the Ho-Ro, if it was changed then surely someone made a bug report to it ? And if that was the case then it means it was backed by references which would make it a historical fix.
Although i haven’t found that report.
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According to the US intelligence investigation of the captured Ho-Ro, the elevation angle of the gun was from -5° to +30°, but the original blueprints of the Ho-Ro indicate an elevation angle of -10° to +20°.
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Jiro Sayama, “Japanese Army Artillery: Infantry Guns, Anti-Tank Guns, etc.,” 2011. ISBN-13: 978-4769826972. pp. 514-515
https://dl.ndl.go.jp/en/pid/4009859/1/105
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Why would blue prints for it say something else than a captured thing?? That makes no sense. Even if that was the case I would belive blue prints more as there are bilion cases of allies simply using captured Axis vehicles and weapons wrong and then calling it bad and unreliable for propaganda purposes.
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I requested the technical moderator to adopt the Japanese document regarding the field of fire of the Ho-Ro, instead of the US report. The elevation range will probably be changed to -10° to +20°. However, the traverse range, which is ±5° in the US report, is noted as ±3° or ±3.9375° (±70 angular mils) in the Japanese document, so it will be slightly narrower.
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Lovely. How so they will listen to you tho?