Unlikely to be a proper subtree. It’ll be there for filler just like Norway in the Swedish TT. My bet is the armored leopard 2 is going to be the top squadron vehicle.
I wonder how they’re gonna fill out the WW2 section. Probably a lot of cold war copy paste which kills soul thinking about it.
Thai Ha-Go would be fun to have for rank 1, even if there’s 2 of them. It’d at least be a WW2 vehicle.
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There is a line in air that ends at rank 3, a very sad and mostly empty ground line, so I think we will see a lot more techtree Indonesian content. Indonesia also has a lot of domestic vehicles and variants that would be completely wasted as occasional premium content only.
Even so far Indonesia is mostly techtree, with two helicopters in the main tree and only one aircraft (one of three Hawk variants Indonesia used) is premium.
Also Norway was premium before the subtree was confirmed. Since then we got Mosquitoes on release and an F-16AM after that, all techtree.
Indonesia is already a confirmed subtree.
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Scorpion 90 my beloved
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Just gonna drop this here since it got denied as a suggestion. Apparently, they changed their rules since the acceptance and passing of the Komatsu LAV (Type 01) and Komatsu LAV (Type 87), making vehicles like them no longer valid suggestions. Regardless, I think it’d be a neat vehicle to have between the Type 60 folder and RCV (P).
Komatsu LAV (M3 Carl Gustaf)
Spoiler
TL;DR: A Komatsu LAV with a M3 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle.
History:
Formally beginning development in 1997, the Komatsu LAV was a response to a need for increased survivability for its utility and personnel transport units. Their currently in-service Type 73 truck and similar vehicles did little to protect their crews from even small arms fire, let alone artillery shrapnel. The initial outlines and requirements put forward were heavily influenced by Cold War thinking, with designers working under the assumption that the Soviets could still be a threat and that armored but still incredibly mobile units would be the best way to combat them in the unlikely event of an invasion. Of course, this school of thought quickly dissolved as development continued and the Soviets became less and less of a threat. Development continued but rapidly pivoted toward making the vehicle more suited for internal security and rapid response roles. The resulting vehicle named simply “Komatsu LAV” would enter production in the late 1990s and see formal adoption in 2002. It still serves to this day, however, production of new units ceased in 2019 after Komatsu decided that the cost-to-return ratio was not sufficient. Being an armored utility car, the Komatsu LAV was designed with the intention of being able to take on whatever role the situation called for. From medevac to anti-tank, the Komatsu LAV could handle it. In its most basic form, the vehicle was completely unarmed, reflecting its more generally utilitarian design, however, weapon mounts were available and could be easily installed. The most common armament mounted on the Komatsu LAV is the Sumitomo M249, a Japanese produced version of the Belgian FN Minimi 5.56mm machine gun. This weapon was perfectly adequate against soft targets, however, harder targets would require something more. When faced with those situations, an M2 Browning or 40mm Type 96 AGL can be mounted, although photographic evidence of the latter does not appear to exist. Even so, sometimes even more firepower may be demanded from the little armored car. For these situations, the weapon mounting systems are dismounted entirely and are replaced with a crew member manning a handheld anti-tank weapon. The most commonly seen of these weapons is the Type 01 LMAT, a fire and forget ATGM system. The older Type 87 Chu-MAT laser-guided ATGM system has also been observed on at least one occasion. A “configuration” that has flown almost completely under the radar, however, is a Komatsu LAV with a M3 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle. This “configuration” was observed at least once during the 2017 Fuji Station 63rd Anniversary Commemorative Event during which at least two Komatsu LAVs were observed with crew members carrying the M3 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle. Japan initially started using Carl Gustaf series in 1979 in its M2 variant. In the mid-1980s Japan gained the ability to manufacture their own M2 Carl Gustafs and continued to do so until the 2000s. In 2012, Japan began to phase out their old M2 models with the newer and lighter M3 model. Unfortunately, the M3 Carl Gustaf has not been seen since on a Komatsu LAV and likely never will be again as Japan is currently considering upgrading to the M4 model.
Place In War Thunder:
Recoilless rifle carriers are a long enduring, tried and true, vehicle subclass in War Thunder, with most nations having access to at least one, Japan included. That being said, the Type 60 SPRG, despite its looks, is actually remarkably normal as far as recoilless rifle carriers go. Small profile, meh mobility, and two standard 106mm recoilless rifles. Looks funky and performs well for its class, but that’s about it. The Komatsu LAV (M3 Carl Gustaf) would be a pretty significant deviation from standard recoilless rifle carrier convention. Not only is the Komatsu LAV itself smaller than the Type 60 SPRG, only being slightly taller, it’s much faster and its recoilless rifle can fire a wider array of rounds, with its tandem HEAT round having a max penetration of around 500mm. The Carl Gustafs smaller caliber and handheld nature could greatly improve reload speed, allowing players to take full advantage of a rat-like playstyle. This faster reload would also encourage use of its other utility rounds. Smoke, HE, HEDP, even airburst. All this being said, the Komatsu LAV (M3 Carl Gustaf) has one massive weakness compared to its other recoilless rifle carrier brothers. The gunner is holding the main weapon system in his own two hands. It physically cannot be “ghost operated”. He doesn’t get any form of gunshield either, making him good eats for any machine gun or passing aircraft. As a small consolation, however, the Komatsu LAV’s hatch can rotate a full 360 degrees, potentially allowing a quick thinking player to block some MG fire with the hatch doors. Since both the Komatsu LAV and M3 Carl Gustaf are in widespread service with the JSDF, the most logical place for this vehicle is in the tech tree, partially bridging the gap between the Type 60 folder and Type 87 RCV (P), however, due to the rareness of this configuration, seeing relegated to the premium section would not be unexpected.
Specifications:
Armament: 84mm M3 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifle
Dimensions: 4.40m, 2.04m, 1.85m (L,W,H)
Weight: 4500kg
Armor: Proof against small arms fire and artillery splinters
Crew: At least 2
Ammunition: HE, HEAT (400mm), HEDP, HETF, Tandem HEAT (500mm), Smoke
Speed: 100kph
Horsepower: 160hp
Pictures:
Closer View:Side View:
Sources:
Komatsu LAV - Wikipedia
Komatsu LAV | Weaponsystems.net
Komatsu LAV Light Armored Vehicle / Armored Scout Car
https://rikuzi-chousadan.com/soubihin/soukousya/keisoukou.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20120313105118/http://www13.plala.or.jp/aconit/e-nerima_soubi.htm
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Carl Gustaf variant is not pretty interesting because it is weaker infantry ATGM
Panzerfaust 3 variant sounds much better
Well… idk is Komatsu LAV with non guided anti tank missile is needed but if we will see LAV with Type 01, I would like to see there a modification for equipping Panzerfaust 3 instead. It will have less combat potential but still pretty interesting
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Maybe future infantry addition
I’d been looking for an image of a Komatsu LAV with a Panzerfaust 3 for so long. Good to see that it actually exists.
Both of them would be good. There’s no reason that the addition of one should exclude the other. They’d be perfect foldered vehicles. Also, the Carl Gustaf is a recoilless rifle that fires unguided rocket-assisted projectiles not an infantry ATGM. It’s not even weak either. 500mm of pen with a tandem-HEAT round would punch though just about anything at its BR. It’d play like a FIAT 6614 on crack.
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What was changed?
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Can’t suggest vehicles with main weapons that aren’t attached to the vehicle. Both the Type 01 and Type 87 are handheld ATGM launchers. They are freely held by the gunners when used on the Komatsu LAV.
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This one is one the borderline of being invalid, funnily enough. It’s literally only held in place by some straps.
Let’s also be aware that the rules for suggestion are in no way equivalent to Gaijin’s own rules for addition. There’s still hope to see the Komatsu LAV equipped with its many weapons in-game.
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Agreed. The major difference being that the BTR-ZD is a standardized configuration. Doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. I was trying to say that if the straps were not there on the Type 96, it probably wouldn’t be a valid suggestion.
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And some secret weapon
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Godzilla killer mk.3
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I’m looking forward to it.
aggressor vehicles?
this vehicles also could fire the ATGM with zero issues but one thing that is surprising is Japan never went full ATGM vehicle spam like other nations but that maybe because the lack of exports. You have an armored car guess what with a ATGM bolted to the top it can stop a T-72 for a low price! Now with exports maybe we see the spam.
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