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The difference its the quality that the company demands. A western company will demand a higher quality for a bigger price, a random chinese company demands less for less price. Even if both are made in China.
Perfect examples are pc components and auto-parts. People avoid chinese brands because of low quality, having a lower price has its consequenses.
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Shot, or shrapnel from an exploding barrel damaging the sight?
This is an exploded barrel. What cope are you going to cook up with next about how the barrel became half the length it should be.
That we know of. Again actually good tanks don’t have barrels explode because they have a service life of a rail gun barrel. Actually the VT4 barrel might have a worse service life than the newest Japanese and European rail gun programs at this point. Claiming that the crew “wasn’t injured this time” isn’t an actually good argument and it makes it even more pathetic that you need to grasp at straws about how your catastrophic failures don’t always result in a 100% casualty rate. Most tanks simply don’t have these problems. Tanks in Ukraine are being run 10x harder and with much worse logistical chains and aren’t turning themselves into party poppers at the rate of the VT4.
Yeah prove that it’s a pretty bad tank.
At least come up with some even moderately believable cope about how its a monkey model export or how tank development and the PLAGF are generally neglected compared to the rest of the PLA branches. Trying to say that the VT4 isn’t always deadly when its barrel self destructs faster than half century old M60s is the worst cope imaginable.
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I hear they where using the tank cannons as artillery + heavy use during training. Thailand is not used to this sort of heavy operations logistically. The VT4 Cannon is based off of the trusted soviet design first used on the T-64. Maybe we will find some data after things cooled down China will milk this for every bit of combat data they can but as long as the other parts of the gun system works they can fix the tank.
200 rounds in 4 days, used for indirect fire.
I think this its the first time a barrel explodes bc of the steel fatige instead of obstruction (like happened to west tanks).
Well at least CM11 was 20 years old, VT4 its like 8 years old now.
dont forget training onto that 10 to 20 shots or so a month will add up.
Biased? Speaking the facts is bias? Is correct my home is full of “made in China” product but those are only “producted in China” with foreign standard which got some ensurred on quality, for those 100% design and made by China is just like Thailand’s tank which is just a cheap toys
for you cannon geeks out there the ZPT-98A 125 mm is the cannon used. based off of the soviet D-81TM. What changes did China make to the gun? Its believed China got it from the Ukraine off of a T-72 or T-80 imported for RnD. Did they push the design too far or most likely a mix of failures.
Zeon when?
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Ukrainians and Russians did exactly that with much longer fire missions without issues in the barrels.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/15nbofs/ukrainian_t64_being_used_for_indirect_fire/
If it was purely logistical issues, then we should be seeing similar failures with M60s and Oplots, but we aren’t.
According to Thai military personnel VT4s have had at least one problem a day since the fighting started, although not every problem was a barrel explosion. There have been a lot more issues with barrels besides full detonation, but these most recent ones are the most catastrophic examples. Multiple other tank models were operating in the same area under the same conditions without barrel failures. There weren’t 200 rounds fired continuously as at a bare minimum there is a 2.5 hour pause to restock the autoloader after 22 rounds.
Trusted Soviet design, but they seem to have forgotten the trusted Soviet metallurgy while manufacturing the design.
This isn’t an oopsie, hold “F” to repair, lets just slap on a new barrel and get it back in the fight situation. At least the first tank might be completely written off as a loss because the entire fighting compartment sustained damage during the explosion. At the very least any tank that does have a barrel explosion will likely sit out the rest of the war and go through an entire ultrasonic inspection process to check for any micro fatigue in them. However with how widespread this issue seems to be according to Thai personnel, there is a possibility of a combat halt or operational pause on the entire fleet to mitigate risk of future issues.
A steel tube exploding less than a meter away from a sight has the chance to damage it. Why are you coping so hard. Thai personnel even said it was a barrel detonation. Or are you trying to say that the VT4 will explode if shot in it’s GPS because that would be an even worse flaw than poor barrel metalurgy.
On what planet is this a clean cut?
Tank barrels exploding don’t create perfect banana peels every single time.
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I know the repair issues is not like that. It would need to go back to a facility to be fixed. It’s not ideal some of my family designed artillery systems in the 60s it can be much much worse.
视频如此模糊，与背景融为一体，我甚至可以这么画
- The video is so blurry that it blends in with the background. I can even draw it like this
至于你所谓的泰国声称vt4每天都会出现问题，和战斗舱出现损伤，但成员却未受伤，这很奇怪，爆炸居然没有伤害到成员，请你拿出证据 - As for your claim that Thailand has problems with the vt4 every day and that the combat module is damaged, but the members are not injured, this is very strange. The explosion did not harm the members. Please provide evidence
Can we get a mod in here please
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/oEokRmczFSWX
Since there’s a high chance my bug report won’t be reviewed, I created a new one.
