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Not fair😤

Where does 8.8x come from? Why can’t it be 1.9x, which is the lowest in game?

“Just because”

I don’t understand why they can’t do it. Tbh the policy with sights is weird in WT

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Apparently Chi-To Late’s ammo racks are going to be fixed in the coming big update and there are hopes for some others as well. So far we have managed to report Chi-Ri, Chi-To Late, Chi-Nu and Chi-He. Strangely enough Chi-Has have proven the most difficult.

Perhaps some document or book somewhere contains a proper drawing, but so far we haven’t found anything like that. Instead I’ve been scraping together photos and some parts from video. Any help would be welcome. Below is what I found about Chi-Ha Kai. The original 57 Chi-Ha is even more difficult.

The turret racks in game are almost like they should be. Only the right side ready rack should be for 3, instead of 5.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftmiuInv1Ik

In the hull the central rack by the gearbox is correct. Also the 8 round rack by the wall is kind of correct, but it should be by the right side, instead of left.

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Large portion of the ammo is actually stored at the left back corner. I found two photos of it from two separate tanks, but neither of them show it fully. It should contain about 30 rounds.

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So far that’s about 87 out of 100 rounds, depending on how many exactly there are in the rear rack.

Rest of the main gun ammo was probably stored in the two boxes on the floor. Then again they could as well be for machine gun ammo. In either case it’s too difficult to estimate their capacity.

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Thank you for your hard work. I’d love to contribute somehow.

I can contribute knowledge for vehicles not yet in the game))

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According to Type 90 (B) specification, the lowest magnification of gunner’s sight is 1x.
That of type 90 was not archived.
Type 90
Type 90 (B)

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According to this table, the commander’s sighting periscope has 3x zoom low mag system and 10x zoom high mag system.
The gunner’s sighting periscope has a 1x zoom observation system and a 10x aiming system.
I couldn’t find whether the low/high mag system and the observation/aiming system can be switched continuously or not.

There is also a 12x zoom aiming telescope that can be used by the gunner.

The thermal imager may have a software zoom function, although the magnification itself is not shown. There are 3 FoV modes: wide view of 7.6°x10.1°, narrow view of 2.7°x3.6° and magnified narrow view of 1.3°x1.8°. The magnified narrow FoV mode has approx half the FoV of the narrow view mode, so it has twice the magnification. Assuming that the narrow FoV mode has a 10x zoom like other high-mag modes, the magnified narrow FoV mode has a 20x zoom.

(May be we should discuss it in type 90 thread)

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🫡 😤

Type 89 ifv armour hole! Found holes above the gun and sides. This means you can die from the front from 7mm.

I made a bug report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/S0mdc7YCW1OM



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Another update without new thing, yeah~~ 🥲

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Just another day of forgotten nation

not a bug, on purpose
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@Teh0

Congrats Community Bug Reporting System

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Chi-He, Chi-Nu, Chi-Nu II and Chi-Ri racks were updated as well. Also Ho-Ro gun angles and location of radio in several vehicles. Community Bug Reporting System

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According to US reports, the Type 97 Chi-Ha carried 121 rounds of 57 mm ammo, however, Japanese sources state that it carried 114 rounds. The Chi-Ha’s hull held four 57 mm ammo boxes divided into 40, 36, 21, and 7 rounds, while a 10-round rack was installed in the turret.

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  1. ヘッドライト - Headlight
  2. デフケース - Differential Case
  3. ギアボックス - Gearbox
  4. チェンジレバー - Change Lever
  5. 計器板 - Instrument Panel
  6. 旋回用レバー - Steering Lever
  7. 機銃弾薬箱 - Machine Gun Ammunition Box
  8. ドライバーシート - Driver’s Seat
  9. 機銃手用シート - Machine Gunner’s Seat
  10. 57ミリ砲弾用弾薬箱 - 57 mm Gun Shell Ammunition Box
  11. 57ミリ砲弾用弾薬箱 - 57 mm Gun Shell Ammunition Box
  12. 砲手用シート - Gunner’s Seat
  13. バルクヘッド - Bulkhead
  14. 機銃弾薬箱 - Machine Gun Ammunition Box
  15. 97式7.7粍車載重機関銃 - Type 97 7.7 mm Vehicle-Mounted Heavy Machine Gun
  16. ドライバー用ペリスコープ - Driver’s Periscope
  17. 57ミリ砲砲架 - 57 mm Gun Mount
  18. 97式57ミリ戦車砲 - Type 97 57 mm Tank Gun
  19. 57ミリ砲弾 - 57 mm Gun Shell
  20. コマンダー用ペリスコープ - Commander’s Periscope
  21. コマンダーキューポラ - Commander’s Cupola
  22. 高射機銃架 - Anti-Aircraft Machine Gun Mount
  23. 57ミリ砲弾架 - 57 mm Gun Shell Rack
  24. 97式7.7粍車載重機関銃 - Type 97 7.7 mm Vehicle-Mounted Heavy Machine Gun
  25. アクセレーター - Accelerator
  26. 燃料噴射装置 - Fuel Injection System
  27. 発電器 - Generator
  28. 空冷ディーゼルエンジン - Air-Cooled Diesel Engine
  29. 排気管 - Exhaust Pipe
  30. エアクリーナー - Air Cleaner
  31. バッテリー - Battery
  32. 燃料タンク - Fuel Tank
  33. マフラー - Muffler
  34. ドライブシャフト - Drive Shaft

“The shells are stored in aluminum alloy ammunition boxes. Due to space constraints inside the vehicle, they are divided into four boxes containing 40, 36, 21, and 7 rounds respectively. Additionally, a 10-round ammunition box is mounted on the turret side plate, bringing the total to 114 rounds.”
「砲弾はアルミニューム合金製の弾薬箱に収容され、車内余積に格納される関係上、40発、36発、21発、7発の4箱に分割される。加えて砲塔側板には10発の弾薬箱が取り付けられており、合計114発である。」

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Toshiyoshi Kikuchi. “日本陸軍写真集1 Main Battle Tanks of Mechanized Units: Japanese Army Photo Album 1.” 1994. ISBN-13: 978-4766331585. pp. 92, 177-178


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(Army) Type 97 Medium Tank

Hull

  • Crew: 4
  • Overall length (m): 5.516
  • Width (m): 2.330
  • Height (m): 2.200
  • Minimum ground clearance (m): 0.400
  • Ground contact length (on flat ground) (m): 3.540
  • Track center distance (m): 1.980
  • Trench-crossing width: —
  • Fording depth: —
  • Gradability: —

Steering System

  • Steering method: Linked braking steering system
  • Turning radius: Any radius (pivot turn/neutral steering)

Engine

  • Type: Air-cooled inline 6-cylinder diesel engine
  • Engine output (hp):
    • Max: 170
    • Standard: 150
  • Speed (km/h):
    • Max: 37
    • Standard: 30.8

Fuel

  • Fuel type: Heavy oil
  • Fuel capacity:
    • Main tank (right): 115 L
    • Main tank (left): 120 L
    • Auxiliary tank: 6 L
    • Total: 241 L
  • Operational duration: Approx. 10 hours per month

Armament

  • Main gun: Type 90 5.7 cm tank gun ×1
  • Machine guns: Type 97 vehicle-mounted heavy machine gun ×2
  • Ammunition:
    • Shells: 114 rounds
    • Machine gun rounds: 4,000 rounds

Communication

  • Radio: Type 94 Model 4 C radio ×1

Weight

  • Total combat weight: 15,300 kg

Remarks

  • Designed to replace the Type 89 Medium Tank as the main battle tank, with enhanced armor, improved combat capabilities, and superior firepower.

(陸)九七式中戦車

乗員数(名):四
全長(米):五、五一六
全幅(米):二、三三〇
全幅(米):二、二〇〇
最低地上高(米):〇、四〇〇
接地長(平地にて)(米):三、五四〇
履帯中心間(米):一、九八〇
超越壕幅
渡渉水深
攀登傾斜

操行様式:操行連動制動様式
回転半径:任意半径旋回信地旋回

機関
型式:空冷直列六気筒ディーゼル発動機
発動機出力(馬力)
最大:一七〇
標準:一五〇
速度(粁/時)
最大:三七
標準:三〇、八

燃料
燃料種別:重油
燃料携行量
主槽右:一一五立
主槽左:一二〇立
補槽:六立
計:二四一立

運行時間:一月約一〇時間

兵装
武器:九〇式五、七糎戦車砲一門
銃:九七式車載重機二挺

携行弾薬
砲弾薬:一一四発
銃弾薬:四〇〇〇発

通信機:九四式四号丙無線機(一)

完備総重量:一五、三〇〇瓩

備考:八九式中戦車に代り主力戦車たるの諸性能を備う
即ち装甲威力の増大戦闘火器の装備優秀なり

“Land Warfare Weaponry Specifications Table.” Tateyama Naval Gunnery School. Around 1942. JACAR Ref. A03032103300. p. 36
https://www.jacar.archives.go.jp/das/meta-en/A03032103400

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Knowing the ammo counts of each rack is a big help. Sooner or later we’ll definitely find some photos or drawings to confirm their location and shape.

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Its seem like Japan might lose Thai ground 😢

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grafik

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Can anyone provide a solid list of what Thailand might offer? I am only aware of the Oplot.

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VT-4 go japan subtree

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Why that? Wasn’t a Thai tank for Japan just mentioned by BVVD?

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