Nah even the JSI will only get from the EX the radar, electronic warfare suite, cockpit and new munitions for air to ground and possibly the extra amraam pylons, still will retain weaker engines and no advanced fbw that makes the EX maneuver like crazy, I wish Japan would just order EXs for themselves already but given they’re committed to F-35s instead and in a joint 6th gen program with UK and Italy (GCAP) then it’s understandable
Is Indonesia still getting the su-35?
No that was cancelled ages ago in favor of the F-15ID (15EX for Indonesia) and Rafale Cs, Indonesia are distancing themselves from Russian equipment
Re-up here from Southeast Asian (ASEAN) Machinery Of War Discussion Thread
Slightly older news
- TF KAAN has been purchased
- KF-21 will be purchased but only a small amount (+ prototype is being planned to be transfered to Indonesia next year)
- Our F-16C/D Block 52ID will be upgraded to Turkish Ozgur 2 Package
- We’re also checking on the J-10A/C performance in Pakistan to determine whether we will get it or not.
- Hawk series (50/100/200) are slowly being retired in lieu of the coming Rafales
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Going for the J10a in the big 2025 is hilarious. Going for the j10 in general is dumb because well rafale
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Going for J-10 in 2025 is a political choice more than anything else.
Chineses will become the new world leading country, in the pov of many nations, and it’s currently creating many of todays products sold throughout the globe (even in the USA).
as such going for J-10C or J-10D(supposedly in studies) in 2025 is a way to show political alignement with China.
as it was and still today, to buy US made equipement for the last 60 years.
precisely my point
You can say that, but a key reason why we’re even evaluating it in the first place is because of how cheap it is as well as the Chinese Gov. themselves offering it to us
Re-up again
key thing of note is the final paragraph of that quote
If the price is right it could be a REALLY good deal and worth buying. IIRC JF-17 is also an extremely cost-effective multirole.
J10a has like 0 multiple capabilities though that’s the thing
Yeah old news since both the Su-35 and Mirage 2000 have got canned, Indonesia is instead focusing on modernization, it’s the whole reason why they commited to buy even more Rafales and went for the KAAN as well, both the Mirage and even the J-10 were supposed to be interim solutions and only the J-10 seems to have a tiny hope of getting purchased but I highly doubt it since that will create logistical nightmares.
(Edit) Btw I’m not correcting you or anything like that to be clear, just adding on top of your post to reinforce it.
but that hasn’t been the definitive case. The deal from a couple of years ago was just frozen, not cancelled. And it was rumored that the deal was then completed unofficially in April of this year.
There hasn’t been any official mention of it being canned or it being approved but that doesnt mean that its entirely dismissed. It’s similar to the current F-15 deal which has gone cold with no news in months, but are still being discussed internally behind the scenes by the higher ups
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Hopefully they go on to buy the su35 instead of f-15ex, su35 will likely be better for war thunder purposes
Doubt it, everyone knows that in real life the F-15 is the superior fighter, plus the embarrassing performance of the Su-35 over Ukraine doesn’t help its case, but without going too deep into any of that everything remains to be seen, even ingame the Flankers are pretty overrated/overhyped. With Indonesian already having gone for the Rafale the Su-35 is more and more unlikely by the day, they might not even go through with the F-15 given that they’re interested in the KAAN and already got into that, adding more stuff to the mix is gonna be a logistical nightmare
I see, I really hope the F-15 deal goes through but if it doesn’t then it’s understandable since you guys are going for the KAAN as well
Cannot use the additional pylons without the FBW systems.
Stations 1 & 9 cause too much instability without FBW control.
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J-10 is extremely cost effective compared to the Rafale. Also a reminder that every military deal is also based off of Politics. Turkey for example is buying F-16Vs just to get back into the F-35 Program.
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Well good to know, it’s why I said possibly since nothing confirmed it, it’s only been a rumor so far that it may or may not get it
The F-15EX actually was once pitched to Japan as the F-15FX. It was part of the 5th F-X I believe, however it was not chosen, with the F-35A being selected instead.
I still wish japan went with their TVC equipped eurofighter they inquired to at one point…
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The FX would’ve been so peak, wish they had procured it alongside the F-35 as well to fill in for their old Eagles as missile trucks but if only able to choose 1 of them then the F-35 made complete sense for long term capabilities. Not to mention that Japan is the biggest foreign operator of the F-35 and second biggest as a whole, they really went all in
old zuni launchers on the dev?
or maybe the f2 always had this one and I’m just geeked.