its 2025, brother. 1918 has long passed. And even Rizzo didn’t care about it, he was just happy to get discharged.
I would understand if an Abrams given to China would make no sense, but this is a video game at the end of the day.
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I am not arguing for either end here since I prefer to stay neutral (and just infodump lol) but the Hungarian half of the Empire had large influence on the Navy due to control over half of the finances. SMS Saida, SMS Helgoland, SMS Szent Istvan, and Battleship X + Battleship XI were built/planned to be built in Hungarian dockyards, specifically Ganz-Danubius, as repayment for passing navy spending bills (via payment to said Hungarian companies and investments into the Hungarian economy.)
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In my opinion, since Hungary is placed in the Italian TT, so far it would be the best option to place vessels of Austro-Hungary there, plus gamewise Italy has rather small amount of Dreadnoughts BBs, all of which are already implemented into the game.
Yes there are ships close to them which I mentioned above like Regina Elena and Margherita pre-dreadnoughts or San Giorgio armored cruisers, but they won’t cover that area.
Germany, which is the only in-game nation which could accommodate A-H ships apart from Italy, has a very large pool of such vessels already by itself. Plus I still think Hungary has enough ties to Austro-Hungary to place both stuff in one TT.
The only question is Austria, how will it be implemented, will it be introduced in a subtree or their vehicles will be scattered across different nations? From what I’ve seen they don’t have much in terms of unique tech though.
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About more modern Hungarian vessels, found this one, Yugoslav-built Neštin-class river minesweeper:
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The Hungarian Danube Flotilla received six Neštin-class minesweepers in 1981 from Yugoslavia. In Hungarian service, they were designated as MS-25. Today three, “Óbuda”, “Dunaújváros”, and “Dunaföldvár”, are still operated by HDF 1st EOD & River Flotilla Battalion.
Hungarian MS-25 minesweepers:
- AM-11 “Újpest” (retired)
- AM-12 “Baja” (retired)
- AM-21 “Százhalombatta” (retired)
- AM-22 “Óbuda”
- AM-31 “Dunaújváros”
- AM-32 “Dunaföldvár”
AM-31
https://www.hajoregiszter.hu/hajoadatlap/am-31_dunaujvaros/am-31_dunaujvaros/2524/2025
More photos:
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PAM-21
https://www.hajoregiszter.hu/datasheet/pam_21/pam_21/1693/1420
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It has a turret from Csaba)
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Btw if you haven’t seen yet, RN Luigi Cadorna is coming as a free BP reward:
Now we have every Condottiero (my former nickname btw 😆 ) class)
But there are still some ships of that class to add, including postwar Giuseppe Garibaldi.
Regarding Cadorna, as far as I understand, it should be like RN Bartolomeo Colleoni, but with Montecuccoli cannons, looking at Bolzano and considering naval developers “love” towards Italy I expect 5.3 BR, rather than 5.0.
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I want to see more Romanian ships ingame, especially in coastal tree. To this day they actually have a somewhat decent native naval industry.
Otherwise until gaijin adds guided missile destroyers I think the best we can see is post-war upgrades of Cruisers and destroyers from the 1950s. As for top tier, maybe just add another littorio.
Rank 4 and 5 can see a bunch of pre-dreadnaught battleships like Re Umberto, Ammiraglio di Saint Bon, Regina Margherita, or Regina Elena class. They would be like the early WW1 German battleships or like the early Japanese battleships.
Lastly regarding Austro-Hungarian ships, a few were actually given to Italy in treaties after the war, so if anything they could appear ingame right now without an excuse. Otherwise for non Italian used Austro-Hungarian ships, they wouldnt really add much apart from the later battleships (of which one was given to Italy so problem solved). I think the only really interesting item that could be added (that Italy doesnt already have a domestic counterpart for) is the Ersatz Monarch class, which was never completed. Obviously this means nothing for naval as we have many fake ships, and the Ersatz Monarch had some parts completed before cancellation. It would be kind of unique ingame and could probably be at like 7.0.
Here is the Ersatz Monarch blueprint:
Additionally the most advanced battleship produced by Austria Hungary was given to Italy and actually was used in a film (SMS Tegetthoff)
It had primary armament of 12x 305mm cannons
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They weren’t laid down unfortunately, so far this a minimal requirement.
Unfortunate, atleast we could see SMS Tegetthoff which would be pretty decent.
Were any ship specific parts built? That also allows it to be eligible
For suggestions again.
something i made sometime ago, i only included more armored stuff beacuse ww1 cruisers and destroyers would be very usefull
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Nice, I’ve also find my very old draft of Italian bluewater ships lines. Probably from the time, when Zara was the top.
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Maybe with a austro-hungarian line and an extra line for pre-dreadnaught battleships, the tree could become as large and comparable to other big naval nations
Also I think that we should get an early variant of the conte di cavour, possible a 1933 giulio cesare or even a 1914 version
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I had taken a bit of a look and apparently the main guns for what was intended to the first battleship were complete, allowing it to be eligible under the same rule that allows the A150 class to be eligible aswell if true, problem is the two cited sources are books I don’t own.
What are the titles and authors of those books ?
Greger, René (1976). Austro-Hungarian Warships of World War I.
Fitzsimons, Bernard (1978). The Illustrated Encyclopedia of 20th Century Weapons and Warfare.
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From the eleven 35 cm guns ordered two were certainly finished and a third may have been finished. The first gun, the Rohr Nr. 1 (Barrel No. 1) was tested at Pilsen in November 1914. These guns were designated as 35 cm M16 and were used on the Italian Front and on the Romanian Front. On the latter front a 35 cm gun along with two 42 cm howitzers provided artillery support for the Mackensen-Army which crossed the Danube at Shvistov in November 1916. The Rohr Nr. 1, after firing 122 rounds, was sent back from the Italian Front to the Škoda where it was found that despite its damaged chamber the gun was still serviceable. The ultimate fate of these guns after the war is unknown.
119th page of Mihály Krámli AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN BATTLESHIPS AND BATTLESHIP DESIGNS 1904-1914
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So does that mean it allows the Ersatz Monarch to pass?
Also does that website have additional naval sources? Could help with some other suggestions.
i dont exactly know what the criteria is for a ship to be added, but some guns for it were manufactured.
The source for the claim of 2-3 guns were finished is based on:
M. Christian Ortner: Die österreichisch-ungarische Artillerie 1867-1918 Wien, 2007 (Ortner) pp. 544-545.
The website has no additional books on naval stuff; however, Mihály Krámli has an extensive list of sources in his linked book.
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