Gen 4.5+ capabilities should be modeled before the addition of 5th gen

That’s inherently more problematic. Think about it this way:

Let’s say you have 3 vehicles. One at 12.7, one at 13.7, and one at 14.7. They’re fairly well balanced.

If you start from the top, you buff the 14.7 vehicle. Shift it up to 15.3 or whatever. Nothing below is affected. Then buff the 13.7 vehicle, move it up to 14.3, the 12.7 vehicle remains unaffected. The 12.7 vehicle can then be buffed and pushed up without consequence. A BR gap is then created, which gives gaijin opportunity to add older, less capable aircraft in that gap that bridge it, hence more diversity within a BR.

If you start from the bottom, you buff the 12.7 vehicle. Now the 12.7 vehicle must be moved up somewhere, but it is in many ways more capable than the 13.7 vehicle as it has features the 13.7 vehicle does not have. Consequently, you must either move the 13.7 vehicle down temporarily, heavily disrupting balance, or move the 12.7 vehicle to 13.7 or 14.0, making it nigh on unplayable. Then when you want to add the feature to the 13.7 vehicle, it is more capable than the 14.7 vehicle. The consequence is the same, a BR step higher, but now either your 12.7 vehicle is too low in BR and must be moved again, or it is too high, and must be moved again. This means that huge reshuffles of the techtree would have to be made without any data to support it.

Cause sensor fusion is a word that covers many individual systems, it’s not a system itself.

Typhoons have an amount of sensor fusion as an example.

As for ESM [not ECM], that one’s on over a dozen aircraft across the trees, but that’s not what we’re talking about.

you arent thinking low enough. I mean the very beginnings of cold war EW, where stuff below hardly even uses radar and the ECM is bad enough it doesnt screw up higher BR too much

Sensor fusion is, in fact, the textbook definition of a system.

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Please name any aircraft that has intergrated ESM outside the soviet TT.

I genuinely cant think of any.

(im not including the barely usable ESM provided by AGM-88, if equipped, but actual, usable, fast scan rate, ESM intergrated into the airframe itself, such as the one missing from the EFT, Rafale, Probably Gripen E, and Tornado IDS SLE to name a few)

The context here is using Radar + IRST at the same time. Maybe even ESM ontop of that.

That has not been mentioned anywhere as far as I know.

For many aircraft, sensor fusion is actually a system of its own. In the case of the Rafale, the electronics for the sensor fusion numbers greater than the radar. I imagine it’s similar for EFT, Gripen-E and F-35. The sensor fusion system is inside the aircraft and functions as the “brain” of the different sensors.

You’d still have to shift it up to avoid it adversely affecting the lower BRs that are affected, hence the same domino-effect set of consequences.

Could be argued that the EFT doesnt even have an RWR, MAWS, LWR or ESM. it just has DASS.

though I feel for the context of the post, to keep it a bit smaller, it should just be on using “search” sensors together for now. Then build up from there

I just see DASS as the brain while the RWR, MAWS, LWS are the eyes, ears, touch, like actual sensors.

True, but they are so heavily interlinked, that its basically just one system.

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I mean in the case of DASS it is literally in the name.
Defensive Aids SubSystem

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Part 1.5 for you as well.

Bringing IRST up to IRL performance.

  • No capped range (bar IRL limits)
  • TWS modes

etc

Maybe also A2A modes for Tpods?

Then from an A2A/A2G perspective, also removing the render limit and upping the stab range for FLIR/Tpods

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i still think it wouldnt be as bad, since it is worse airframes getting worse ECM working its way up and not better airframes getting better ECM working its way down

Good idea, I’ll add another part where current capabilities that we have in-game currently aren’t modeled right as well. IRST, AESA, Optics, etc

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Part 4 is typed up, just waiting on Flame now for a picture/source of Eurofighter having 360 degree jamming, (in comparison to how F-35 doesn’t have that), as a way to highlight how ECM could benefit Gen 4.5+ whereas Gen 5 mainly relies on its frontal aspect radar to do that while having nothing for egress jamming capability.

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The fact that the jammers are only present in the LH wing pod would lead me to believe there’s actually a small deadzone to the right hand side of the aircraft where the fuselage obstructs it.

The offboard jammer present in the TRD likely covers for this.

i wonder if they will modify F-35 TRD to have some jamming capability. maybe also give it some conformal antennas for better EW coverage

Problem is jamming is antithetical to stealth

its still good to have it, after all what happens when F-35 run non-stealthy loadouts

I assume the assumption made is that non-stealthy loadouts will only be run when all threats that justify stealth have been functionally annihilated. Problem is jamming equipment is big, heavy, and complicated and the F-35 is already more than enough of the three of those lol

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