Gaijin won't stop babying Sweden, and as such now the Gripen is apparently immune to missiles

The f5 wins because energy retention. The TWR of euro and rafale make them way better at dogfights because they have great energy retention because of it. the other cases are true, but you cant argue against the fact that euro beats gripen in a dogfight.

on afghanistan for sim, i’ve shot them from mostly 3-9 km, because of the higher alt, the only other plane recently i’ve played that had skyflashes was viggen, and i’d usually use them at people that are slightly above multipathing height, like 150+ meters. although, the viggen has a normal, mprf pd while i think? the british phantoms get the hprf pd. and they’re also .7 br higher in rb somehow, but they’re the same br in sim

Tbf the SAAF gripen is the best close range Gripen, Darter are similar to R77 and can turn much better than aim 120, so imo id rather darter than aim 120 for how i play personally.

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yeah i’m with you. i think grippy is OP

Seems fair enough to me.

Don’t get me wrong, I think having Skyflash or more BOL both have pros and cons
So I thought it was quite a debatable point.

Someone could think Skyflash is awful SARH since it faces R-27ER or others, while someone can thinks opposite.

I apologise if I misspoke badly.

From Tonka F.3 or F-4J(UK), it was meh but not terrible.
Also, I think maybe having one or two in Gripen will not be that bad, and it was one of the reasons why I was grinding the Swedish tech tree, since SAAF JAS39C lost Skyflash of it.

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Basically no one knows how to fly it properly as a fighter, and the other planes are playing wrong if they try to fight you like that

True. Gripen’s better gun won’t mean anything if the euro is on its 6 tho

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This is a friendly convo, I don’t see why you need to apologize, we all sharing our own personal experiences here.

Yes but it only gets 2 radar missiles. F43 is also strong. Both are good but not insane. FM is the problem (kinda)

Excellent planes but gaijin “nerfs” them because of the large lobbies and the small missile count of the gripens

Most xs players are brainless

Skyflash DFs? No. Not really, far less range
Skyflash STs are pretty close to Aim-7M in terms of performance, but the Gripen A doesnt have those>

I’ve experienced… buggyness with the Skyflash DFs before when guided on PD, but not a missile Ive used enough to collect the proper data to figure out what is going on / bug report it if needed.

Im not the only one to have mentioned some wieredness with them, with a few Viggen users mentioning it a while ago.

5-7km for me

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By the way, what if this topic was just made for dedicated to Gripens?
The term ‘Babying Sweden’ in the title seems way too aggressive in tone and sounds literally untrue to me.

Watching that clip again, first shot. Was never going to hit. Why you even fired against a Pre-flaring target is rather funny.

Second shot. The fact you fired at such stupid angle and yet it nearly hit if it wasnt for a flare spam and the fact it was a front aspect shot… is insane. I’d kill for half that HOBS performance for the Aim-9M at the moment.

babying gripen is kinda true

i would agree with you on everything but this lol, 37di air frame is HORRENDOUS at 13.0, i’d rather have j-8f fm or kfir c10 fm or f-14b fm. plus it’s rwr is literal garbage/useless at 13.0. I just finished grinding out sweden in the past 2 weeks so IK these planes like the back of my hand rn (not di viggen, but I can just imagine after playing the 11.3/10.3 ones a lot)

The Gripen has sooooo many outstanding bug reports. Its kinda insane and some of them cant even be denied down to “balancing reasons”. Like centre line bomb (where the external fuel tank can go, should be able to have a guided or unguided bomb) was reported 18 months ago. Still not here. Why? No one knows.

I think the Gripen might actually be Gaijins most hated aircraft, and its game limitations, such as how they model IR signatures, resulting in the Gripen being a reasonably cold airframe, that has kept it going.

Gripen C at 13.7 just looks pointless most of the time. At least, I havent touched the SAAF one since they added the Typhoon, because I just dont see any reason to. The Typhoon can do everything the Gripen C can, but better. For japan, the F-2A is probably a straight upgrade in most respect. Italy, the Typhoon again just replaces it. It is only Sweden that needs the Gripen C for a dogfighter and they really really need the Gripen NG/E

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fairs on the gripen c, I’ve barely touched it since I got the italian typhoon (only thing the c offers over it is gbu 39s and that’s about it). But at least the gripen a deserves to go up, it’s just oppressive at 13.0, along with a lot of the other 13.0s (f-15a, su-27).

No no sweden is OP they have the best air tree dont you know everyone else needs the Gripen E even italy with the EFT, they need it more than sweden ;)

The meta at and above 13.0 is BVR. There is very little the Gripen A will actually do against anything with ARH missiles. In a uptier against even the Griepn C, its DOA.

Its as high as it can possibly be. Its a compression issue