Gaijin, what the hell were you thinking giving Russian 45mm Prop Aircraft APHE belts?

Truthful ≠ being a troll

Just twisting perceptions as to make me look bad because I have more valid points. Classic.

Did you not notice that he only killed 1 person before getting that Yak?

You just insulted him again by suggesting he’s falling for Confirmation Bias simply because you can’t wrap your head around the problem. I’m trying to be as nice as I can about this, but you just can’t see it no matter what anyone shows you.

The planes you showed as counterevidence are either higher in BR, more sluggish, or a twin engine.

He shouldn’t need to show it. Questioning his screenshot is random and paints you in a light which makes you appear dishonest.

Yes. And if you don’t, just fire a second time… I have the Polksiturer and know what that can do.

The Yak can do just as much with its cannon and can defend itself.

The P-47 is called the “Jug” for a reason. It’s a literal brick. You cannot turn. If you’re caught performing CAS, you will die.

The Yak may not. It can turn. Almost equally to a Zero, in fact.

Not particularly. Alvis Wisla is known to be a troll.

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He uptiered himself, killed someown with a Bt5, then kept killing. I can do the same with the A-1H, your point??

He was biased on other topics thus I have good reason to believe it to be happening once more.

The planes you showed as counterevidence are either higher in BR, more sluggish, or a twin engine.
Yeah, how does any feature, making them less effective?

I don’t trust his screenshot, as things can be edited, it shouldn’t be so hard for him to reproduce the gameplay link so I can view it. Denying it is far more suspicious

Oh is he now? I’ve only seen him be fair and honest, while being knowledgeable. Care to show me his “trolly words” you so claim?

Especially that server replays are for everyone to see.

But ye, having over 7 K/D in that plane doesn’t let me say that it is overpowered lmao.

To appear more honest I should talk about things I have never or rarely played (and badly).

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Why can’t you link that game in question? Hmm? It’s very suspicious indeed.

Please take it in private. This topic is going sideways :)

29rds of 45mm at 258rpm. Even if you take as much as 3 shots per tank, that’s still ~10 kills. Unlike an Me 410, Hs 129, and arguably even 262 A-1/U-4, it is more than capable of defending itself against other fighters.

At low altitude, it has worse maneuverability, worse climb rate, worse CAS potential, worse energy retention, you name it. Its only advantage is top speed and the acceleration is worse still.

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I love when people defend overtuned CAS.

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So let’s say based on your math…
It takes:
2-3 shots to kill 1 ground target. (Higher than average efficiency for sure.)

In any given match, there will be a 1-2 enemy fighters to engage you.
4-6 rounds used per plane.

Toss in 3-5 missed shots due to spaa engagement.

29rnds =
-4 (first plane)
-5 (second plane)
=9 rounds used
-4 missed shots from spaa interference.
=13 rounds used
-2x8= 16
=29 rounds.

2 plane kills, and 8 ground kills.
Now, we have to factor in armor, fuse, angles, etc.

Let’s say 1 of the 2 planes required 2 APHE hits instead of 1. (Loss of one tank kill due to insufficient ammo).

Let’s say angle and the 58mm pen isn’t enough to pierce a semi bad side hit angle, (under estimation or over estimation of distance), so it costs 3-5 more rounds (4 to be fair). But this occurs twice.

Let’s say you are able to fly back to the airfield, magically all enemy cas couldn’t kill you, neither could the spaa.

So from the 10 “original kills” the estimated actual kills for a good ~ great pilot hovers around:
10 kills:
-1 Round
-4x2=-8
9 out of 29 rounds being ineffective =
2 plane kills, and 5 tank kills, granted everything else goes according to plan, and you avoid all danger.

In all likely hood, in good ~ great conditions as a good ~ great player, you may be able to squeak out 7 kills.

Problem is, most players aren’t as great as I have just estimated. With those 2-3 shots per tank, being upwards of 2-5 if not more.

This is assuming someone is actively using the 45 mm to shoot at aircraft.

I personally wouldn’t.

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Yes, it is very easy to simply bind the 45mm do a different key; I personally tend to put MGs on lmb and cannons on rmb.

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He was biased on other topics thus I have good reason to believe it to be happening once more.

I do not think using people’s conduct in other topics as a mark of some fault is as good an argument as you seem to think. If we’re to set that precedent, it would not serve you well in this debate.

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You have failed to account for its very high damage 12.7s. Both fighter kills can be achieved with them.

Many of your kills will be oneshots if your shot placement is acceptable. 3 shots per kill is inefficient and says more about the pilot. Even if you miss the first shot, you quickly correct on the second one and it will most likely be a kill.

It even has much more spalling than the german 50mm:


Now in a worst-case scenario to really show the difference:



Obviously neither are a kill, but its clear that the 45mm has a lot more damage in it. A second shot from it has a very high chance of killing this Tiger E, while the 50mm will have to aim more carefully.

Let’s add in a few more:




^^Ki-109 can overpressure apparently lol


^^all solid shot is identical to this so only these will be added

^^as I said in my post before, 15mm API(c) has really bad damage lol, below is a DIRECT HIT on the driver’s head, with distance set to 0m!
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And should go without saying, but of the above aircraft that actually stand a reasonable chance of killing this Tiger E in one pass, only the Yak-9K is a fighter and only it has good flight performance. Of the APHE slingers, it also has by far the highest rate of fire allowing you to quickly correct a missed shot - a Ki-109 for example will have to wait 3s for the next round, while having to pull up sooner than the 9K due to using a medium bomber airframe.

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Lmao. I would love to see you say something about that. I have never been biased, or untrue. That’s not in my deck of cards buddy.

The Tiger E is not the only thing you would see, also these are very cherry picked results.
I tested these myself between the XA-38 and the Yak, and surprise surprise, the Xa-38 was penning more angles / bell was doing more damage.

Secondly, the protections analysis doesn’t account for crew level. Thus a level say 75 crew that is expert will be more likely to live 2 45mm rounds, and need more. Unless of course it explodes in the center mass locations.
There are a lot of variables to consider.

LMAO!!!

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I already reported that, the H-Pzgr (should be HVAP not Ap-I(c) ) is doing low damage and no spalling, tho only on Air, on the Sd.Kfz.251/21 it works really good.
(Technically the velocity should also be 1050 m/s not 1030 m/s)
It is a dedicated ONLY AT round after all. (By the manuals and designe)
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It represents the worst case scenario - a poor shot on a spacious tank. The above case on an M4 shots a oneshot for the 45mm but a nonkill with the 50mm.

The same is true for any other shell except the Ki-109’s.

I can only comment on what is in the game right now. Unfortunately there’s just no reason to use that belt right now.

I’d say care to prove that in private messages? Since you clearly don’t like me for proving points.

And you have no valid argument… other than character attacks… seems to be a commonality when losing an argument on the forums.

But to return to topic, all the planes are balance at their brs.

Eh, I think there are far worse things to encounter than a Tiger E.

Also, I didn’t say that it was any different for any other plane…?