Gaijin should dont make the same error with the falcon

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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It’s a 4.7 vehicle when we’re talking about 8.7 brackets. It’s one of the most random comparisons possible.

That’s not really much of a high bar in all honesty. Most nations don’t have a proper 8.7 lineup outside of Israel, France, the USSR, Britain, and Sweden. If we factor in vehicles around its BR, which you’d see under natural spread (+1/-1), the AMX-30 DCA isn’t even close to popular.

Even if it was popular, it certainly isn’t overpowered either. Being unstabilized and 8.7, it has a higher BR than the Gepard and most of its clones. It’s just not really reasonable to nerf the vehicle.

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Let’s remove the APHE from the FlakBus, then.

Why not make SPAA objectively worse so that CAS becomes even more ass to deal with? We won’t have people like me in SPAA guarding from the middle anymore, and I’ll simply camp the back of the map.

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Except removing APDS makes it better, because it isn’t overtiered on the basis that the APDS ruins IFVs instantly

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Except it isn’t being dropped in BR and neither is the DCA

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Which is Gaijin being spectacularly daft.

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I never said it is OP. If they do remove the APDS it should go to 8.0 or lower since it is just worse than the gepard in every way

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It already is worse than the Gepard and shouldn’t be 8.7 even in its current state.

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I don’t see many of them as first spawn but AA vehicles are easy to spawn late game so they get more use there.

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French tax simply put

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Said for Leclercs many times but as it turned out, they’re just as good as 2A5/6s.

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okay but you cannot seriously argue the DCA is better than the gepard (apart from having more apds which is getting removed aynway)

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It’s not, just commenting on the French tax thing.

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There are many cases where french tax is real though. The term gets overused I will agree

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I don’t really see it much when it comes to ground vehicles at 7.0+.

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Have no fear, its getting a radar

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Maybe it can also go down in BR to 7.7 to make it less able to pen armour at the BR

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Good to hear at least.

But that makes removing APDS entirely unnecessary from a gameplay point of view since it won’t be moved down in BR either way. So is it actually a historical change and Falcon could never use APDS?

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Yeah, I mean 180 APDS vs 40 in other SPAAs much difference, but if it didn’t have them it must go lower, at least with radar no more than 8.0

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7.7, the radar will likely not be that good and the thing is pointless at 8.0 or 8.3 without something like APDS, might as well use the 2 other spaas at the BR instead

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I don’t even think it’s that much of a difference. The radar it will get would still lack search functionality seen with other SPAA at the BR, making up for the added APDS capacity.
The anti tank capability also doesn’t seem too powerful when compared to IFVs at similar BRs like the M3 Bradley or BMP-2, with a bit better autocannon firepower in exchange for no ATGMs.

So unless the change is historical, it just seems unfair to remove because “muh SPAA should only fight aircraft”.
The most frustrating part of SPAA is that most of the time there is nothing to fight and not enough targets for all SPAA of the team, so having secondary roles like the capability to attack ground vehicles or the scouting of later SAMs (that often can’t engage ground targets) is important to make them enjoyable to play.