not that they struggle at their BRs by any means. almost spaded the chieftain marksman today both from griefing tanks and vapourising planes (ww2-korean war planes have no business seeing 70s-80s spaa units)
far better than it is right now where SPAAs kill tanks more than tanks kill SPAA
yea, they are better tank hunters than the tanks are
This will happen as they promised
This isn’t guaranteed.
I don’t disagree about APDS removal itself.
Itself is a debatable point.
Okay, it is your will not playing it.
It also has a chance of not lowering BR just like R2Y2, Vampire, and B-66B does.
If Gaijin plans to remove APDS of Falcon, then they should’ve also initiate initial BR buff down from 8.3 to 8.0.
Keeping it 8.3 without APDS will make no buff on Falcon, making it forgotten instead.
B-66, Vampire, and R2Y2 haven’t been nerfed at their current BRs.
False equivalence.
Though I can’t think of any vehicles that have been nerfed to prevent being moved up and being moved up anyway, or nerfed and not moved down at this time at this time.
Usually stuff moves down, whether it’s instant or takes a while.
R2Y2s had their air spawn removed, then after that they moved up to 7.7, then to 8.0.
B-66 has had no changes.
And Vampire has had no changes since being 8.7. Vampire just suffers Spitfire & Zero syndrome: People turn fight them far too often.
Honestly, I just wonder why comparing Falcon (which will get forgotten in worst-case-scenario) with B-66, Vampire or R2Y2, which are already forgotten, becomes ‘false-equivalence’?
You are misusing the term.
Microscopically, you might be right. Falcon got APDS nerf. and Vampire, R2Y2, or B-66 didn’t got direct nerf.
But, macroscopically, you are wrong. They are similar.
Will have a superior vehicle in the same BR, and will be forgotten.
Disclaimer: down below are joke takes.
Then, Falcon also has possiblity that their APDS was removed, then after that they moved up to 8.7, then to 9.0.
Or, rot in the same 8.3BR with no further changes.
And Falcon will have no changes. because Falcon also will suffer SPAA syndrome: people expose the side armour too often.
Then, in worst case scenario, Falcon will stay 8.3 BR with no buff, but APDS removal as a nerf.
Unlike how you want.
And buff SPAA aircraft kills by even x3, planes are rarer than tanks and most of the time harder to hit.
i think he is right. Who will want to play a minor nation, if it hasent a prise? Expl: Falcon in britan, R3 with recloiless rifels, etc
if these nation didnt have these stuff, i personnaly wound give much love on the grind.
Top tier spaa are defenceless for the most part - why should mid tier spaa be any different?
I would support removal of anything but he rounds for all mid tier spaa - light tanks are miserable to play currently and it would be a very welcome change for me.
That or actually fix 30mm auto cannons but that requires effort and work so they won’t do that.
I think better to give Falcon 9.0 than take away APDS. I use it with Chieftain 10/900 and ZA set up anyway. if it loses APDS i think BR should be 6.7. it won’t be much stronger than Zerstrorer. But I better play 9.0 current Falcon than 6.7 without APDS.
Top tier SPAA 1 click detroy all air in tetris menu. Falcon is not capable of that. Much fun playin Skink? It won’t much difference.
It should be going to 7.7 at the maximum. The Yenisei (7.7) has a radar at that BR (why?)
There is no reason on the grounds of “balance” for it to stay where it is.
Or the M163 at 7.3 I think has a radar
I’d say Falcon will have much more lighter targets to shoot at in 8.3 than in 7.7.
Well people could always bring it higher if they wanted
That’d make them receive more rewards though.
Let’s hope they drop the BR when they remove apds. They ruined my 8.0 lineup when they bumped up the BR.
UK has the Marksman at 8.3.
It also has an apds belt. Was that listed as removal as well? Thought it was just the Falcon and AMX-30 DCA.
You mean light tanks like the XM800T?
I don’t think there are many players that feel sorry for that rat.
How did they dare to do so ?
No one minds about the “lighter targets” thing if they are playing it as an Anti-Air
The 292 is an event vehicle, so that’s an unfair comparison.
How is this even being compared to a firefly, though?
It’s a 4.7 vehicle when we’re talking about 8.7 brackets. It’s one of the most random comparisons possible.
That’s not really much of a high bar in all honesty. Most nations don’t have a proper 8.7 lineup outside of Israel, France, the USSR, Britain, and Sweden. If we factor in vehicles around its BR, which you’d see under natural spread (+1/-1), the AMX-30 DCA isn’t even close to popular.
Even if it was popular, it certainly isn’t overpowered either. Being unstabilized and 8.7, it has a higher BR than the Gepard and most of its clones. It’s just not really reasonable to nerf the vehicle.