not really, when you spawn, go off to the side and aim to get adjacent to the bases.
Head outside the enemies fov on approach.
I mean if you have a b29 with 16x1000lbers, the last thing you want to do is fly directly into 16 enemy players - which if you do manage to drop on 1 base - you then have to execute a 90degree maneuver to get on the next base - all with those 16 players on your 6… aint gonna happen.
Contrails do give position away but a good vector minimalises that.
If people could bring it upon themselves to do something other than point their nose at their finale destination, their sucess rate would increase.
But alas the community - “I am going for the left base so i will ensure my nose is pointed at that target the ENTIRE time, if i point my nose away for a few minutes then it might disappear”
If i want to cross the road, i will find a safe route to do so, not just walk straight across. (shit analagy i know but hey)
well flying directly into the entire enemy team is hardly a better solution.
Put it this way - if i am in an interceptor or fighter and i want to kill bombers - guess what i am going to do?
I know all bomber pilots just spawn and fly straight to target down middle of map - therefore i will takeoff, climb down the middle and engage them in a headon as they fly straight toward me and my team mates.
I dont have to search for them, i dont have to consider their flight path i dont have to think about anything.
They literally fly straight at you and you shoot them down.
Personally i have great sucess when playing a bomber, i just use cunning and avoid making myself an easy target by flying headon into 16 enemy.
fyi - i know you know your stuff so i am not saying your wrong, im just saying there are methods, just depends if people are willing to experiement or are willing to make a vector.
Yep, but I still think it’s time to totally review the BRs of bombers.
They are balanced around bomb load and GRB. With splits BRs coming in June for air and ground modes it’s worth reviewing their performance in ARB. I understand the bomb load factor in the matches where “AFs can be destroyed”, but I don’t recall the last time I saw one of those. The typical “bases can be destroyed and will respawn after 5 mins” matches. I don’t think bomb load should even be a factor to consider balancing anymore.
I’m not quite as well versed in heavy bombers these days. I never enjoyed playing the British heavy bombers because they felt so weak (and quite frankly they were designed for night bombing raids, not broad daylight)
But aircraft like the Buc S2 I’ve seen it said that it has a 9.3 rating because of its bomb load. If bomb load is not a balancing factor anymore, then I could see it as low as 8.7 (thinking scimitar outperforms it in most respects)
So it’s not just fighter Vs bomber, but how a bombers BR decided is the issue here (not too mention the factor of bases in GRB, had too many matches in the past where also bases were destroyed before I got close and I got shot down loitering for a respawn…)
you’re right. one of the Vautours is at 8.3 or 8.7 i think in the French Tree. The SARHs are a bit garbage, but big enough and good enough to take out bombers
yea out of 20 games you may get 1 good game in with the b-29. The only thing to do is side climb and try to hit bases toward the end of the match and hope you got high enough and the enemy was playing at tree top level and doesnt want to take the time to come and get you.
No idea how the Tu 4 is even a high br… it could be that i dont have the mods unlocked but that thing does not want to climb or maintain altitude with a full bomb load.
Absolutely!!! Gaijin STOP it! You KNOW the problem! Enough is enough! There is no excuse keeping B29 BR so high! It is not real life simulator, there is no fighter support as it was in real life, it is game where everyone fights for their individual kills and personal survival! And now, when attack planes bomb the bases instead of ground units, playing B29 is pointless! It is waste of time, SL and bad to mental health
Dude, you can imagine i tried everything. Including turning engines off (no contrails) and side gliding, taking U turn and hiding behind/midst our fighters (do not hope they protect you intentionally, LOL, but you may act as a bait) , low flying spawning from base and etc. Survival rate goes from worse to less worse, but it remains awful and you die most often before you can bomb the base or before new bases spawned. You can only survive if your team stomps the enemy before enemy can spot and attack you. It is impossible to whitewash this detrimental situation - B29 BR is way too high!
Your quote is misleading regarding fighter support for B-29s:
During WW 2 attacks flown by B-29 fleets had no fighter cover - the combat reports i read never mentioned own escort fighters (somehow comprehensible if you check the distances).
The fighter cover in the Korean war was useless against MiG 15s, that’s why B-29s were withdrawn from daylight attacks
But - i would see no problem to have the B-29s at 6.3 (like years ago):
So the currently too high B-29 BR is mix of gaijin’s dislike of (prop) bomber game play and the severe skill deterioration of the average fighter pilot as the overwhelming majority lacks the necessary skill and patience to kill a B-29 in a contemporary aircraft.
Fine then, let B29’s fly only in nighttime. In real darkness and radar guided level bombing. (It was joke). In current situation B29 is just a way how Gaijin is trolling bombers.
Btw, escorts weren’t useless, they had no range enough to follow B29’s to everywhere.
By the time that the bases for escorts were set up (Mainly on okinawa and iwo jima from from what I have read) or arrived in theater (P-47N) the threat to the B-29 from Japanese fighters was basically nil. and before that B-29’s were able to effectively fend off fighters due to their speed and altitude. Most B-29 losses occurred from mechanical failure and running out of fuel. This is the main reason that nighttime bombing was adopted, was to allow the B-29 to relaibly reach japan. However with he capture of iwo jima, emergency landings could finally be done and B-29 losses fell drastically.
Iirc the main point for going for night time attacks against JP was the lack of accuracy from very high alt bombing attacks and the total absence (very few exceptions) of functional JP night fighters. The goal of these attacks were just to wipe out cities / population centers with more effective attacks due increased accuracy.
Technically seen the attack profile Hi-Lo-Hi needs way more fuel than Hi-Hi-Hi so i am not sure if your quoted assumption is correct.
Imho you mix things up.
Even as there is a difference between having no escorts due to the lack of range of escort fighters and having useless escorts as these fighter could not protect bombers - at the end of the day B-29s were relegated to night time raids; so the outcome is the same.
There are some combats described in the web - it boils down that MiG 15s could easy penetrate the fighter screen (early provided by F-84 Es) and kill a B-29.
Initially they where still escorted by P-51s
From William F. (Bill) Welch — 31st and 91st SRS
Recollections:
“we got the pictures just before being jumped by Mig-15s (The left scanner had watched them with binoculars all the way from take-off). The P-51 pilots also did a superb job of flying. They attacked the Migs head on and kept them busy while we peeled off and headed for the Yellow Sea.” https://web.archive.org/web/20160622040317/http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/29wfw.htm
How they calculate the BR of anything that bombs needs to be overhauled. If they do that. a LOT of aircraft would shift about. I think pretty much every single heavy bomber would drop a nice chunk. 80% of them would probably drop by at least 1 full BR