I was mentioning NATO armor.
I also don’t think you meant DM13…
BTW, those screenshots of yours portray a 20 - 30 foot tall tank firing down onto a Merkava.
The primary protection of hull is to protect from RPGs and other man-portable HEAT devices.
And you get a result like this:
Everyone says “It’s got Chemical Protection bro”.
It doesn’t.
And just because the composite has a chemical focus doesn’t mean it can’t stop APFSDS. It has massive NERA slabs and modern ERA. The old Merkava tanks went head-to-head with APFSDS and did fine, so I don’t see why they would just not armor their vehicle against tanks that they CAN still fight.
And yes, you said NATO, but NATO tanks aren’t the only ones being neglected. It’s everything other than Sweden and Russia.
And as for that missile above, this is what it SHOULD look like.
Completely stopped on the ERA.
Sir, that’s a tandem warhead Israel’s not facing nor is under threat of facing; on top of that tandem is poorly simulated in WT in general. Tandem penning is not an indication of poor armor, as that could be tandem over-performing.
War Thunder’s different situations showcase weaknesses that real militaries don’t experience.
Israel does fight Tandem Warheads and that missile has tandem 1200mm of penetration. The missile this tank took was a missile of equivalent force and was accepted by Gaijin with proof on the Issues page.
Merkava 4 (all) armor values too low and mislabeled. // Gaijin.net // Issues
As seen here, Gaijin has accepted this as sufficient evidence.
Sorry but this only work for you!
There are tens of bugs report about Leclerc issues (armor, reload speed…) with tons of proofs and Gaijin isn’t moving an inch
You don’t know that they’re not researching and developing solutions for vehicles.
That and they do major damage model changes on major updates…
Leclerc has issues, yes, and they’re working on the acknowledged ones.
How quickly they finish is a whole host of factors, just know that sometimes it can take a long time.
I’m not sure what your point is.
Roughly 75% of all engagements with Russian/Soviet MBT’s, the frontal armor is completely useless due to the fact that you can overmatch their side armor.
Yet many people in this community act as though the frontal armor of these vehicles is a massive factor in virtually all engagements.
Don’t confuse real life with the META of War Thunder.
Of course a given tank design isn’t stupid purely because it’s armor isn’t very relevant in a video game.
FOX-3’s are barely relevant in Air RB compared to FOX-2’s, that doesn’t negate the fact that FOX-3’s play a massively important role in real life.
Someone with the ASU-57 as their highest rank Russian vehicle is telling me I lack the experience with top-tier Russia to form a complete conclusion?
Well, the issue with the Swedish trial is that they are for exemple the holy grail for the Leclerc according to Gaijin when they actually are about a tank with a different armor layout than the in service French Leclercs. I could go more in depth about this if you want, but the main thing is, that gaijin refuse most buffs because the sources aren’t trustable when even their own sources aren’t any better
Clearly propaganda
Nothing can stop glorios ru ammunition except russian armor xaxaxaxa
I have the big sad.
You don’t even play Tier VIII Russia. sooooooo
But that aside I have more than enough top tier battles where I have to fight against all factions and Russia tanks are substantially harder to cripple/kill. Soooo uh yeah
shrug your history indicates you do not argue in good faith. I don’t really expect you to change your mind.
Nor does anyone else. You are a known quantity and it is that of an unreasonable person. Unless you have something that actually mitigates the argument about frontal armor. (everything you have said to this point does not at all address this issue) then there really isn’t any point.
this adds 0 value to NATO tanks, how’s a superior engineering thought about making their tanks mobility much better than russian engineering that’s literally don’t care about their tanks mobility.
NATO tanks need their realistic armor nothing u can say can deny this fact.
that’s just absolutely a big fat of cap, gaijin is simpely lazy to act, when a russian tank isn’t modeled right i bet they take hours if not minutes to fix it, but WHAT? NATO tank has issues? i ain’t moving a muscle.
Mig-29s have had the wrong fuel consumption since release, well over a year.
why u always yap about the fuel problem?
u literally told me the same information 4 times now
Do u have any other problem that russia suffer from or just this?
It’s the most notable since it and Kfir have the least fuel for jet aircraft.
Kfir doesn’t have its fuel tanks yet tho.
and? i see no mig29 players talk about this problem.
Okay and…
So problems don’t exist if people don’t talk about them? lol
Your defense of the Soviets is weird. You claim they’re perfect in spite of the obvious flaws…
oh nah problems do exist, but some people prefer to stop people when they try to speak about their favorite nation problems, if u gonna say USA lacks armor, and a troll jump and say naah they got mobility, and some other bs that do not benefit the tank in anyway, it’s kinda absurd don’t u agree with me Alvis?
If someone responds to me with that, that’s not a provocative statement, thus not trolling.
That statement would be pointing out positive things which is never a bad thing.
Augmenting statements is always good, and helps with discussions.
Also weird of you to claim that the US military is wrong for considering mobility an important factor…
