I rather it maintain its current state and stay at 9.7, if we look at the entire lineup as a balancing factor, 9.7 has nothing there and one death then we are down to using 9.3s as backups. But if they gonna move it up, then I think T-64B and Sabra will go to 10.0 too, I will hate that
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That is the entire argument for it getting the necessary buffs to move it up to 10.0. that there is 0 line-up at 9.7. I’m using the chieftain mk10 as my backup because I’ve got nothing else.
If it was 10.0 we’d not be much better off in terms of MBTs but we’d have SPAA and IFVs that weren’t 8.3
How the sabra and other versions of m60 are superior? They all have poor armour, whole tank is a weakspot. Also terrible mobility and top speed.
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Referring to the Jordanian Khalid. It’s a lot better than that tank. Same top ammo, but 5s reload, and gets around the battlefield similarly, with much better armor.
As a Britain main, respectfully, no. Britain finally has a competent MBT below 10.0, yes its an event vehicle, but its needed. You call yourself a Britain main but actively want to have one of the few good things Britain has at Rank 7 to be nerfed? Please hang your keys to your British Main title and go play another tech tree. Shir 2 stays at its BR.
¬Sirin
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Olifant at 9.3 existed for quite a while now.
This thing is fine at 9.7 tbh. Unless the thing is in cover you just shoot the lower plate and it dies 100% of the time…
You couldn’t just give it L23A1. It would have to get thermal too, and at that point it’s basically the Challenger DS. I would rather the vehicle be unique.
L23A1 and Thermals would be Challenger Mk2 at 10.3 not Chally DS as that has L26.
L23A1 and no thernals would most likely make it 10.0 which might be an overal healthier place for it because L23A1 does okay at 10.3 and 10.0 is an overall healthier line-up.
But its fine either way
This should be 10.3 easily. It’s overpowered.
Just lol. Even if the 64B had 1000mm ammo it wouldn’t be half the vehicle.
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It’s strong but shouldn’t move before Sabra does though.
Just lol. It has a weaker shell and no TVD compared to the Challenger Mk2 at 10.3
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Yeah and who put that tank at 10.3? Exactly. There’s nothing in concrete that both are badly put.
It’s a fair amount better than most of the other 9.7 BR tanks, barring a handful of outliers such as the Sabra.
And more importantly, it really shouldn’t fight tanks below 9.0 BR, because they literally can do nothing.
T-64B is okay, but is easily punished and retains all the disadvantages of the soviet MBT line. The dart is the biggest plus, and it’s not even that good when considering the Sabra is using ammo better than some 11.7 BR tanks.
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I think moving it up to 10.0/10.3 in its current state is insane, given the performance of the Challenger Mk2 is average at 10.3 with both a better shell, TVD and even a dozer blade which is useful. L23, a shell that is first added to the TT at 9.0 on the Cheiftain mk10, is totally inadequate for fighting most tanks past about 10.3 at which point L23A1 would be needed for the FV4030/3 to be usable if it moved up in BR. If it needs a better shell before it can move up in BR then it must be at the right BR with its current shell.
I dont have issue with the FV4030/3 moving to 10.0 but getting L23A1, as its a more rounded line-up with the Desert Warrior, Tracked Rapier and Stormer AD also at 10.0 but it cannot be simutaneously OP at 9.7 with L23 and need to recieve L23A1 to move to 10.0.
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Even with L23 it beats pretty much all the 9.7 MBTs except the Sabra snd T-64B though. It’s also faster than them both, despite gaijin’s inability to model regenerative braking. The “soft stats” are also better.
It’s too much for 9.7 BR and 8.7 BR tanks need protection from it.
I know the usual rhetoric to getting uptiered is “just bend over, kiss your behind goodbye because you’re doing nothing to change your fate” but most +1.0 ground matchups can be tipped in favor of a more skilled but lower BR player. That’s not really possible against the Shir. It holds all the cards.
Then give it L23A1 and move it to 10.0
Forget the Chieftain mk10, take the VFM5 instead.
The main problem in the lineup is once again British SPAA gaps. By 9.7 EVERY other nation gets missile AA, but Britain is stuck with the 2 8.3 SPAA, neither of which are fantastic. Germany and the USSR get a version of the Gepard/Shilka with MANPADS strapped to them, but the Stormer AD is, for some reason, 10.0. If they just bumped that down to 9.7 it would fix this.
Its a bit of a shame the Tracked Rapier wasnt added (or a version of it added) to fill that void.
Knowing how Gaijin balances things, they would put it at a higher BR than the Starstreak-armed Stormer HVM (which replaced Rapier systems in service, because it’s BETTER irl… but that’s not how Gaijin works). They’d probably put it at the same 10.3 they put everything else for Britain.
Tbh I’m of the opinion that these SPAA armed with heat-seekers should be a much higher BR as the missiles are fire and forget, high performance and near impossible to flare. Early-period radar beam-riding missiles take more skill to use and are easier to defeat, so should be lower… But they have longer range which is what matters to Gaijin.