First match, 2 kills and then got 1 shotted by a TAM. I dont really see the issue personally at 9.7
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The difference in acceleration and overall offroad performance is pretty significant, you can actually afford to turn in the Shir and get back to decent speed well before a CR1 will. Chieftain is a slug in comparison, with bad engine power and low top speed. Shir can keep up with a half-upgraded wheeled LT offroad, while CR1 can only dream of that.
5s reload, even for only three shots is significant for 9.7 BR. That’s barely punishable. 7.5s is very easily punished. Not to mention the overall improved mobility giving you the ability to retreat faster and further reduce the time an enemy can use to punish you.
Against HEATFS, lesser ATGMs and lesser darts (T-64B is firing some of the best APFSDS for 9.7 BR) the hull is very resistant, to the point of being oppressive to lower BR opponents. The turret is best in tier, with higher BR ammo being a requirement to penetrate it. Stillbrew is decent, but full of holes and doesn’t cover every area of the front.
Agree to disagree here, the combination of improvements from the 9.3 upgraded Chieftain on the Shir make it absolutely zero fun to play alongside and painful to play against. They just roll forward with no effort, facerolling enemy teams and leaving little left for friendlies. It fits better at 10.0+, has more lineup there and actually fights decent counters often.
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Well. Trying to spade it now and L15 CANNOT pen a T-64B anywhere and Im always getting one shot… So… Im wondering why its not 9.3 at the moment. Soif it lost L23, it would be 8.7 max.
Yep, doesnt matter where you get hit. You get one shotted. I dont really understand this “its armour is too OP for 9.7” comes from
Chieftain is 9.0.
There are multiple 9.7s stronger. Like the T-64B
Hmm? The turret can withstand 3BM42, when you are in a hull-down position you can trade fire with anyone who is aware of your position, so far I only got my barrel shot out and the occasional commander goes to valhalla, the turret so far has yet to die to anything in one-hit yet, most matches are 10.3 and it received the benefit of having great reverse speed to get out of troubles. SO FAR my stat is 44 kills with 16 deaths and I hadn’t score a nuke yet, one time got 7 kills and it was downtier so I think its in a good place at 9.7 but I imagine it will be moved up to 10.0 due to having 5 second reload speed, it has great mobility compare to T-64B and Sabra but lacks the penetration.
I’ve done 5 matches so far and been one shot every single time. Just don’t aim for the turret cheeks and it’s a guaranteed one shot
If it gets moved to 10.0, it will have to receive L23A1 along with all of its bug fixes (probably should have 20 round ready rack like the CR1s)
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I rather it maintain its current state and stay at 9.7, if we look at the entire lineup as a balancing factor, 9.7 has nothing there and one death then we are down to using 9.3s as backups. But if they gonna move it up, then I think T-64B and Sabra will go to 10.0 too, I will hate that
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That is the entire argument for it getting the necessary buffs to move it up to 10.0. that there is 0 line-up at 9.7. I’m using the chieftain mk10 as my backup because I’ve got nothing else.
If it was 10.0 we’d not be much better off in terms of MBTs but we’d have SPAA and IFVs that weren’t 8.3
How the sabra and other versions of m60 are superior? They all have poor armour, whole tank is a weakspot. Also terrible mobility and top speed.
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Referring to the Jordanian Khalid. It’s a lot better than that tank. Same top ammo, but 5s reload, and gets around the battlefield similarly, with much better armor.
As a Britain main, respectfully, no. Britain finally has a competent MBT below 10.0, yes its an event vehicle, but its needed. You call yourself a Britain main but actively want to have one of the few good things Britain has at Rank 7 to be nerfed? Please hang your keys to your British Main title and go play another tech tree. Shir 2 stays at its BR.
¬Sirin
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Olifant at 9.3 existed for quite a while now.
This thing is fine at 9.7 tbh. Unless the thing is in cover you just shoot the lower plate and it dies 100% of the time…
You couldn’t just give it L23A1. It would have to get thermal too, and at that point it’s basically the Challenger DS. I would rather the vehicle be unique.
L23A1 and Thermals would be Challenger Mk2 at 10.3 not Chally DS as that has L26.
L23A1 and no thernals would most likely make it 10.0 which might be an overal healthier place for it because L23A1 does okay at 10.3 and 10.0 is an overall healthier line-up.
But its fine either way
This should be 10.3 easily. It’s overpowered.
Just lol. Even if the 64B had 1000mm ammo it wouldn’t be half the vehicle.
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It’s strong but shouldn’t move before Sabra does though.
Just lol. It has a weaker shell and no TVD compared to the Challenger Mk2 at 10.3
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Yeah and who put that tank at 10.3? Exactly. There’s nothing in concrete that both are badly put.
It’s a fair amount better than most of the other 9.7 BR tanks, barring a handful of outliers such as the Sabra.
And more importantly, it really shouldn’t fight tanks below 9.0 BR, because they literally can do nothing.
T-64B is okay, but is easily punished and retains all the disadvantages of the soviet MBT line. The dart is the biggest plus, and it’s not even that good when considering the Sabra is using ammo better than some 11.7 BR tanks.
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