ok now find the penetration values and names for the shells so that they can be added or theyre as good as mockup image with no data on it
“I do plan to do some nice thorough research into it soon”
Read messages before you reply, I do plan to research thoroughly into the FV4030/3 like all vehicles I enjoy and nothing will be left untouched in said report as well. But I don’t plan to do it immediately because someone named Nike Ajax told me to.
Most 120mm HEATFS munition in-game have their penetration values copied from a already existing one, Gaijin is also pretty fond with C&Ping things.
The topic to be discussed is BR placement of the FV4030/3 as well, not people gathering information on the purposed HEATFS, so please stop going off-topic.
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and the Chieftain mk.3 can face T-64BVs
why is this the standard for comparison
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It doesn’t need a BR increase, the vehicle itself shouldn’t be a event vehicle to be honest, maybe a Premium vehicle or a Battlepass vehicle, as it doesn’t add nothing new, the same Challenger 2 armor design, same cannon and ammunition, just slighly better mobility from what I could experience,
The fact that it starts with APDS makes this vehicle less unexperienced player-friendly, the gun handling is decent, nothing too good or too bad, in general, is just a Challenger 2 with a different name, but moving anything related to the Challenger 2 up is no answer for issue, the fact Gaijin just chooses the easy path to events in general is frustating in my opinion and they most have a change, work on actual new vehicles with new ways to play the game,
The camouflage in question, is just trash, throw a snake skin as a camouflage and done, 45 000 points for this ugly thing, which instead could work on the prototype camouflage, which is historical and fits better for a event vehicle related to a historical event.
As me, I would suggest everyone to keep hopes low for a 45 000 worth vehicle, as Gaijin has a infinite list of copies of vehicles already in-game, examples are the Shir 2 and the F-5A (G)
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then dont complain if you dont have the research. research and sources first, then complaining.
and the Chieftain mk.3 can face T-64BVs why is this the standard for comparison
You make me feel like a genius, I used that as a example as BR is a method of balancing, vehicles which are superior than others are separated by BR and something like the Chieftain Mk.3 has no right facing against the T-64BV.
You’re using a wrong as an example, that’s why I said vehicles like the T-72A should absolutely move up and last time I checked the T-64BV was indeed decently similar to said vehicle.
Compression between 9.0 to 10.0 vehicles is pretty tight and the performance gap is very vast, hence why I made a topic for discussion about the BR placement of the FV4030/3 and whether it needs to be moved up or not.
The fact that it starts with APDS makes this vehicle less unexperienced player-friendly, the gun handling is decent, nothing too good or too bad
The stock performance of a vehicle doesn’t determine the BR placement of said vehicle, look at the M60 AMBT for example, when stock it’s comparable to a 8.7 Magach and when spaded it’s a entirely different beast.
Same thing with the FV4030/3, the stock grind may be tuff but when you eventually get the essential parts you become a absolute monster at 9.7. The gun handling of the FV4030/3 is also one of the best at its BR for any MBT, it’s nothing short of phenomenal - same with the reload and turret protection.
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Im not going to comment on how it performs. I do not have it yet nor have I fought against it yet. But the 9.7 rating in itself it just wierd as we dont really have anything else at 9.7 other than a single premium. So you are either dragging 9.0/9.3 vehicles up to 9.7 or using it at 10.0/10.3 anyway. So it either needs to get buffs like L23A1 and move up, or get some other nerf and move down.
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All the superior vehicles at or below 10.0:
Sabra, 120 S, M60 AMBT, Leopard 2K, AMX-40.
T-64B is as good as the FV4030/3.
M60s no matter the modification other than the M60 AMBT will always remain worse than the Challenger 1 series of vehicles, the Leopard 2K is pretty much an equal and the T-64BV needs to move up to 10.0 alongside the FV4030/3, all those points you made are either vehicles which are niche in certain areas or vehicles which are on par with the FV4030/3.
then dont complain if you dont have the research. research and sources first, then complaining
Nobody is complaining, the main topic of discussion is entirely based around the BR placement of the FV4030/3 and I only mentioned HEATFS as a future addition, not something which needs to be a immediate implementation, grow up.
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M829A1 and KE-W say otherwise.
Leopard 2K is the fastest MBT in the game before Type 90.
Leopard 2K is objectively superior to FV4030/3.
Firing a similar round while being significantly faster.
M829A1 and KE-W say otherwise
Penetration only matters at a certain point, you should know this out of all people. And no matter how good something penetrates something else, the thing which carries said gun is the most impactful factor, and in this case it’s the godawful M60.
Put as much lipstick onto that ogre and it ain’t getting any prettier, the M60 is overly outmatched at this BR and especially by the FV4030/3.
Leopard 2K is the fastest MBT in the game before Type 90
This is blatantly wrong, the ZTZ99A, WZ1001, the Leclerc and the XM-1 (C) are all faster than the Leopard 2K (and there is probably even more). The Leopard 2K also has significantly worse survivability and protection than the FV4030/3 and not to mention a much worse reload and FCS.
Next time you lie, make it believable
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armour wise its not even close to CR2
There was these shells planned but never came into fruition.
@TPS_Hydra
I see your post is accusing reality of lying, which is you admitting your posts are wrong.
M60 AMBT, Sabra, and 120S will deal with T-72B [10.3] and equivalent vehicles far more consistently.
Leclerc is slower by 3 seconds to 70kph.
30, 40, 50, 60, 70kph:
Leopard 2K:
2, 4, 8, 12, 16.
Spoiler
Leclerc:
3, 5, 9, 14, 19.
Spoiler
No, the top speed for the said vehicles I’ve mentioned are indeed superior to the Leopard 2K, you yourself even said speed, not acceleration/time to target. Maybe next time make a clear distinguishment so something like this doesn’t happen again lmao.
My point still stand as all vehicles I mentioned are still faster than the Leopard 2K
How does this warrant the FV4030/3 to be 1 BR step lower than the Leopard 2K though? How does this make the Leopard 2K undoubtably superior to the FV4030/3 either way?
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i should definetly buy the fv4030/3 considering people are unhappy with its br placement
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Hey, let’s remember to keep threads on topic, and move any personal arguments into PM’s.
This tanks needs to be 10.3 with NO BUFFS its absolutely steamrolling 10.3 matches right now
I knew it was going to be insane for 9.7 lmao, most people thought it was going to be pretty mid for 9.7 but oh how things have came out.
With or without buffs, it NEEDS to move up to 10.0 at the very least, 10.3 might be pushing it since it would basically be just a worse Challenger Mk.2.
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“With or without buffs, it needs to move up to 10.0 at the very least”
I like how you are not okay with it getting downtiers to 8.7 but are somehow okay with it being pushed to 10.0 to where it can face tanks such as the chinese premium Al Khalid.
I personally think its in the right BR. If anything UK doesn’t have any 9.7’s backups from the tech tree, so you are either using it on your 10.0/10.3 lineup as a backup or using the UK 9.3’s lineup as backup risking a potential uptier to 10.7. How is this somehow overpowered? If anything its a gamble whether you’re in for a downtier, or an uptier.