Even with L23 it beats pretty much all the 9.7 MBTs except the Sabra snd T-64B though. It’s also faster than them both, despite gaijin’s inability to model regenerative braking. The “soft stats” are also better.
It’s too much for 9.7 BR and 8.7 BR tanks need protection from it.
I know the usual rhetoric to getting uptiered is “just bend over, kiss your behind goodbye because you’re doing nothing to change your fate” but most +1.0 ground matchups can be tipped in favor of a more skilled but lower BR player. That’s not really possible against the Shir. It holds all the cards.
Forget the Chieftain mk10, take the VFM5 instead.
The main problem in the lineup is once again British SPAA gaps. By 9.7 EVERY other nation gets missile AA, but Britain is stuck with the 2 8.3 SPAA, neither of which are fantastic. Germany and the USSR get a version of the Gepard/Shilka with MANPADS strapped to them, but the Stormer AD is, for some reason, 10.0. If they just bumped that down to 9.7 it would fix this.
Knowing how Gaijin balances things, they would put it at a higher BR than the Starstreak-armed Stormer HVM (which replaced Rapier systems in service, because it’s BETTER irl… but that’s not how Gaijin works). They’d probably put it at the same 10.3 they put everything else for Britain.
Tbh I’m of the opinion that these SPAA armed with heat-seekers should be a much higher BR as the missiles are fire and forget, high performance and near impossible to flare. Early-period radar beam-riding missiles take more skill to use and are easier to defeat, so should be lower… But they have longer range which is what matters to Gaijin.
it is quite true if you play it right you could potentially be the KV-1B of 9.7 but Gaijin gives a lot of uptiers I see 2S38s and T80UDs every few maches tho
Congratulations on your first post.
Amen brother. Not to be one of the war thunder conspiracy theorists but
It’s Gaijins anti-britian bias infecting/ affecting the community too.
This and all other responses aged like fine wine, with the FV4030/3 being moved to 10.0 and countless of YouTubers agreeing how busted this thing was and currently is at 9.7 it’s good knowing I was on the right side of Gaijin history.
This thing was genuinely criminally good at 9.7 and if I recall correctly I got a KDR of like 5 to 6 in this beast, it only took me couple battles to realise how dumb it was.
With it moving to 10.0 I have no issue with it anymore, it’s a perfectly balanced vehicle but those 11.0 uptiers will be a pain
I do think that it should’ve remained at 9.7 and gotten its APFSDS removed and especially since the Rapier is also moving down to 9.7 but apparently that would be too much effort, which it moving up to 10.0 however it should indeed receive the L23A1.
and it still can because the AM/AMD are going to 9.0
And that is the fault of decompression, vehicles like the FV4030/3 shouldn’t be facing the T-55AM and that’s common sense, using one wrong to argue why its okay isn’t a good argument. The Chieftain shouldn’t face the BV and the T-55AM shouldn’t face the FV4030/3.
The performance of the FV4030/3 however is on par with other 10.0 vehicles, give it L23A1 and its going to be perfectly fine at that BR.
you dont bring it at 10.0 though, theyve now moved the rapier down to 9.7 which means nobody will use it cause itd pointlessly uptier a otherwise good lineup, and put the fv4030 into a place in which it has no lineup, you either bring to to 10.3 where its vastly outclassed, or you uptier 9.3 to 10.0 where it makes the lineup pointless.
What were you criticizing, the fact I said that the FV4030/3 shouldn’t face against vehicles like the T-55AM? It’s crazy if you believe that the 4030/3 should face against it, you also probably believe that the Fox isn’t a little gremlin as well lmao.
A very small list of vehicles which includes the Leopard 2K and 2AV
That isn’t relevant to balance, the FV4030/3 both statistically and in real scenarios was overperforming and therefor went up, it was doing exceedingly well and I spotted this early.
The FV4030/3 has significantly better turret armour (2K and 2AV) and hull armour when compared to the (2K), significantly better reload, better overall magnification (gunner/commander), better survivability when compared to the 2K and is more uptier proof than both.
The 2K and 2AV undoubtedly have their pros over the FV4030/3 but all those three vehicles at good at their respective BR, the 2K however is slowly getting powercrept.
