Why we wouldn’t/couldn’t have this is beyond me. Would fill a niche for small, fast recce vehicles, and this one gets a nice bit of Firepower. Definitely onboard.
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If they make the 90mm variant I’ll vote yes
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Already suggested that one ;)
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I’m surprised no CVR(T)s with the notable exception of the Stormer have been added
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And the Striker don’t forget that 5 swingfire monster. I just hate suggesting them, as it is a pandora’s box, and for every one i find there is a dozen more i could suggest.
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I try to forget about the Striker.
Never liked it in game haha.
Dont forget the falcon either ;)
Falcon is FV430 series?
My bad, yeah you are right, specifically the fv433 abbot
Falcon is based off of the Abbot/FV433 hull, which is in the same family as the FV432 APC (and FV430 Bulldog too) - Swingfire is also based on the same hull too.
On a separate nore, if I remember there was an Aussie example where a Scorpion turret was fitted to an M113. Not sure if that made it into service.
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There was also an Australian M113 with a Saladin turret. I’m pretty sure both of them did reach service.
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It was the M113A1 FSV (Fire support vehicle) basically based on australian experiances in south vietnam.
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“Mum I want Scorpion”
“We have Scorpion at home”
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+1. It’d be a great addition for the british tree, (somewhere in 6.3-6.7 imo). It’s also really cute!
Since it’s a light Cold War vehicle I thought the same. But then I looked around in the tech trees and at such a rating it would end up smack middle of all the heavy tanks and generally thicker armored vehicles which it wouldn’t be able to “pen” with the HESH round, except in a few instances.
The problems already start at 5.7 but they’re limited so I think you can still work around them. So maybe a rating around 4.3-4.7 might fit due to those 5.7 up-tiers, but it would be weird to see a Cold War Vehicle in a 3.7 down-tier so I dunno really.
A tricky vehicle to implement for sure, but one that I want to see nevertheless.
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if they, oh i don’t know, fixed HESH damage (which conveniently hasn’t been done considering it’s a mainstay of British ammunition) then it’d be quite a capable platform.
As far as i can tell, the main problem stems from how the game models HESH damage. It isn’t considered to have done anything unless it overpressures or Penetrates outright sometimes, yet other times it’ll kill a vehicle outright.
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That bridge has already been crossed sadly. Look at the Pbv 301 it’s a 60’s vehicle at 2.3.
If HESH is fixed, Scorpion could probably go higher. Around 5.7 - 6.0, as even if the round doesn’t penetrate there should still be a chance for scabbing.
- In “Ballistic Research Laboratories Report No. 837” pages 250 to 255 (based on the page numbers of the actual report, page 242 to 246) provide details regarding the effective penetration of HESH or the thickness of armor HESH can defeat. On page 254 of the same report (page 245 on the actual report) it is clearly stated that “this plot indicates the HEP round to be capable of defeating about 1.3 calibers of tough, high-obliquity plate, regardless of caliber.”
So 76mm HESH should be able to defeat around 98.8mm of armour. With better performance against sloped armour than regular AP and early APDS, and better post-pen damage.
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I mean, HESH doesn’t get affected by range or angle. It’ll have 98mm of pen at any range or angle, which would be really neat not gonna lie.
Makes you wonder if the Scimitar, with the RARDEN, would be worth adding. If they gave it its 90 rpm than that’d make it worthwhile
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From what i understand, one of the reasons that HESH performs so poorly in game, is because when the shells explode on a piece of armor, they don’t really overpressure at the same time as penetrating the armor. That means that even with the 21,76kg TNT equivalent of the FV4005 shell, that if you hit the turret cupola of a Tiger H1, the shell will not overpressure even when it is such a big explosion going off over the tank, it will only kill the commander. Where as, the 122mm HE shell of a IS-2 with 3,7kg TNT equivalent will overpressure the entire tank.
To sum it up, a massive explosion from a HESH shell will not overpressure when it tries to go through armor, where as HE with less filler on the same spot will over pressure.
I would think the best way to fix it would be, to make HESH shell both do penetrating damage, and overpressure damage at the same time.
Scimitar would definitly work, since the Warrior is very effective with its RARDEN cannon at 8.3. While i think for many that the slow rate of fire is a hit or a miss, it is very effective with its APDS shells.
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If it got a LRF, I’d absolutely play the Scimitar. The pen on the gun is really really neat, and it’s certainly not a terrible gun by any stretch.
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