Future of the Hungarian Aviation Subtree. Everything HunAF

I am opening this topic since there is no general thread to discuss possible future additions to the Hungarian aviation subtree in-game. (fixed-winged and rotary-wing aircraft)

This topic is intended for discussions about future content, the current situation of the sub-tree, the historical accuracy of relevant machinery and armaments, and possible future camouflages.

Thread discussing possible future ground content for the Hungarian subtree:

Then to start this topic.

IRIS-T on the JAS39 Gripen EBS HU MS20 Block 2

A list of modified and license-produced aircraft :

  • Italian Fiat Cr.32 (armament was changed to Hungarian 8mm 26/31.M Gebauer motor-driven machine guns)
  • Italian Fiat Cr.32bis (around 38 Cr.32bis close-support fighters were used from 1939, armament was changed to Hungarian 8mm 26/31.M and 12.7mm 40.M Gebauer motor-driven machine guns)
  • Italian Fiat Cr.42 (armament was changed to Hungarian 12.7mm 40.M Gebauer motor-driven machine guns)
  • Hungary manufactured the Me 109 G 2 and G6. Approximately 700 of these were made in Hungary. For GE and HU
  • 900 Me109 F were built in Hungary. For GE and HU
  • Furthermore, all Hungarian ME 210 Ca-1’s of both weapon configurations were made in Hungary. For GE and HU
  • The JU-86K bombers were built with Hungarian Mistral engines at our request. Furthermore, we did use our own defensive armament on the JU bombers.
  • German Junkers Ju-87 (A-2, B-2, D-3, D-5) (fuselage and engine were built in Hungary by a German-Hungarian contract)
  • Heinkel He 112 B-1/U2 (machine guns were changed to Hungarian 8mm 39.M wing machine guns , 2038/min rate of fire and fired 8x56 mmR cartridges with 730 m/s muzzle velocity)
  • FW-58 Weihe was, of course, a German plane but it was license-built here in large numbers and in 1944, 17x Fw 58C aircraft were modified to be able to carry 300kg of bombs under the wings and were fitted with 2x 8mm Gebauer machine guns, to serve as a night attack aircraft
  • WMK-14 engine prototype of the CR.42
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Bomb load for the MÁVAG Héja fighters

In 1941, during Operation Barbarossa an experimental Hungarian fighter squadron of 7 Héja I fighters was sent to support the Hungarian units, out of them 2 (V.453 and V.460) were equipped with bombing equipment and were designated as Héja B (bomber). In 1942-43 the Hungarian 2nd Army’s fighter squadron also had a fighter-bomber flight of 4 Héja I fighters (V.415, V.426, V.440, and V.430 or V.470). Later when Hungary started to manufacture the Héja II, the bombing equipment was a standard set for the fighter but never used them.

The bombing equipment of the Héja fighters was the Italian Spezzoniera Automatica Nardi bomb bay. Each bomb bay could carry 22 bombs, the bombs were either the 2 kg 33.M “O” or the 2 kg 33.M “M” bombs. Each Héja could carry 4 bomb-bays which means a fighter could carry 88 bombs of the aforementioned types. The bomb bays were carried under the wings, between the wheels - this can be seen on all of the Héja Is in the pictures.

The Hungarian Héja fighter-bombers were quite successful against manpower, artillery, trucks and aircraft on land. During the explosion of a 2 kg bomb around 250 fragments are formed, most of them weigh more than 1 gram and 50 out of them weigh more than 5 grams. This means that a Héja with 88 bombs could bomb an area of 100x100 meters with 20-22.000 fragments.

Hungarian MÁVAG Héja II dive bombers

In 1943 Hungary made two dive bomber variants of the MÁVAG Héja II fighter, serial number V.560 and V.670. These dive bomber variants had an electric dive brake on their wings and two German ETC 50 bomb racks (some Hungarian sources mention 2-2 German MWN bomb racks but I could not find info on such bomb rack) between the dive brakes and the wheels, they could also carry 4 Italian Spezzoniera Automatica Nardi bomb-bays. All in all a Héja II dive bomber could carry 88x2kg and 4x50kg bombs. The aircrafts had a 600 km/h diving speed and had a range of 700 km.The two dive bombers were given to the Royal Hungarian Air Force but we don’t really know if they were ever used in combat, they were destroyed in a bombing raid in 1944.

A third dive bomber was also made, serial number V.660 although it was only just an experimental variant. This aircraft was equipped with two ETC 250 bomb racks instead, thus it could carry 88x2kg and 2x250 kg bombs. It’s not known if this aircraft was given to the Air Force or was ever used in combat.

@Victory_799 i linked some of your topics relevant to the subject that is discussed here.

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The hungarian sub trees were such a let down for me.
I bet the snail will just forget they even added them.

Only reason they were added in the First place was to justify dumping a bunch of copy paste into the already neglected italian trees.

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Fw-189
Do-215

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Unfortunately its their new solution for existing tech trees that need content for various reasons. Benelux is the same and Japan is getting the same c&p treatment. Which wouldn’t be a problem if they added the indigenous content in “subsequent updates”…but we are still waiting for that promise.

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It’s a shame how badly the early air tree got butchered for Hungary with 3 of the few aircraft available being premium. Hopefully hungary isn’t abandoned like that and sees some love.

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Do you have information on the older L39 albatros?

Hungary received 24 L-39ZO Albatros trainers from East Germany. These were capable of carrying ordinance for ground strike training. In 1998 these jets received GPS and NATO-compatible IFF, and in 2005 they received the UB-16 rocket pods left-over from the MiG-21’s.
They were given to Hungary without any ordinance, but Gaijin treats this issue normally pretty liberally mostly from a gameplay/balancing perspective.
It has 4 hardpoints under the wings.



I mean it’s in the Italian TT, which is in the game since 2017 (as a standalone TT; CR.42, G.50, C.202, SM.79 since 2012 or so) and still missing entire families of Caproni and Aermacchi, of course Hungary will be abandoned in that tree ;)

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This, Italy (along with France) also still missing their domestic seaplane/flying boats. Also looking at BeNeLux subtree, GJ didn’t even bother to copy paste Fokker D.XXI, let alone adding more unique stuff to the subtree.

GJ has abandoned WW2-era aircraft (except for event/BP rewards) and (as of now) subtree only served to give the host nation more competitive top tier vehicles.

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