Free SPAAs are too powerful

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@ShOt_MaCkEr

Than it’s not a CAS plane, just don’t spawn it, are you insane?

Aa isnt anti tank weapon either. They both are made for dealing with air and both cant effectively kill ground targets. So its not just “aa only” disadvantage. But again: 70 sp vs 500 sp difference.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

That take is so bad that I’m not even gonna address it.

The response is so bad Im not even gonna consider it as proper answer.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

And then they run out of ammo, but you just go back and reload? The only reliable munition interceptor you mentioned is pantsir.

Pantsir has 24 missiles in total, iris t - 32, samp t - 32. Tell me, how many time would you need to wear down those with f4 ice 2 mavericks? Or okay, harrier night attack 4 mavericks? You do understand that by the time you dump agms twice match will be over in most cases?

@ShOt_MaCkEr

Let alone even damn strela requires more skill to shoot down munition than you slinging it, lol.

Should have separated it as aa that is decent at killing jets to avoid misunderstanding ig.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

What about any other munition?

Can be dealt with same way.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

Giving you an opportunity window?

Sams can force you to dodge by sending missile to you then hiding before munition strikes them. Or just shoot it down. Fnf sams can send missiles to munitions, plane and then hide.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

They have no cover, because you can adjust your z axis.

Adjust your z axis to get shot down by ir/arh/sarh and even saclos sam, genius.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

First, maybe use literally any other advantage you have to outsmart it?

It can send missiles long before you even spot it. And in case of aim9x you wont even get rwr ping. You can only hope for gun run if map lets you approach them without getting spotted by radar. Otherwise you are just free frag.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

Aim-9x is 2 br steps above.

11.3 vs 12.3 they can face each other in uptier. Add to that elde 98 with weaker iris t missile and cs sa 5 which also features gun. Those are at 12.0, popular br due to premium spam so you will often get dragged there.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

That’s why we’re still getting su-34’s slinging 38MLs from the airfield? Oh, okay. Skill issue.

Wow tiktok tactic which showcases guy getting 1-2 kills in cherry picked battles. Just like those ka52 indirect fire vids and littlebird hydra runs. So op.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

You’re dishonest on purpose? 600 of that is for your plane’s body. So it’s at best a 50sp missile. That you’re not even controlling anymore btw… And can rearm easily… And there’s only a couple of SPAAs capable of stable munition interception, you’re not running into them all the time.

One missile already increases sp cost to 900+ sp. So it can be 300+ sp per missile. Also you cant spawn missile without jet so its cost will logically be combined with missile cost. So its 900+ sp for ir weaponry. Last time I checked, tor, pantsir (by cycling targets), and every fnf spaa didnt have to control their munitions so whats your point? Rearming takes time and its much longer than building magic ammo box. Almost every saclos sam and recent fnf ones can take ≠ couple of SPAAs capable of stable munition interception. Pantsir is something I run into almost every battle thanks to uptiers.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

So you found the tornado, that I tried to play after introduction of pantsir and ICE that only has 2 maverics and I have a “pantsirschrek” loadout with 3x20mm vulcans for to point at? Those are commonly known trash planes and I’m not playing them even once anymore. Aside from ICE, it’s at least funny.

But you have speed, fnf, 3rd dimension, entire map, infinite rearming and even those “other advantages”. Is that a poor excuse and skill issue versus class with severe disadvantage?

@ShOt_MaCkEr

Tor is on par with crotale aside from head on engagements. Tor is getting AESA as a locking radar and multilaunch capability AFAIK.

Much worse missile, no thermal and vertical launch isnt “on par”. Its called “worse”.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

LIteral cripple.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

Tornado is capable of evading those missiles. It’s only fairly good as a munition interceptor. Food.

Is that why your stats are that bad in it? Or you struggled versus saclos sams? Its even funnier then.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

Man… Don’t you have a brother going by a nickname TIGER_TANK? I can see a resemblance in how bad your takes are. Consider thinking. Skill issue on your part.

Seems like you have more kinship with them judging by how your takes correlate with your stats. Telling “skill issue” to someone and claiming jets have so much advantages while having 0.8kd on jet seems rather ironic.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@ULQ_LOVER

Because he should have known that before spawning… right

That plane is going to spawn and shred whatever is inside that bathub? Thats pretty much the only future player can see while playing open top vehicles tbf. Expecting plane to not focus such easy target is final stage of “naive”

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

Because he should have known that before spawning

Because he should have accepted that before spawning. Or adding it into his lineup or any deciding to play it.

And this should have been balanced by lowering open tops’ BR, making them better in G2G engagements. Failing to do so should be considered a G2G design flaw.

[Pangolin_Fan]

@ShOt_MaCkEr

You’re useless on the battlefield aside from killing damn planes. And what you gonna do if your machine is bad at it as well?

It literally costs 70sp. It should not be stronger than 700-900sp vehicles.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@Creastroy

And this should have been balanced by lowering open tops’ BR, making them better in G2G engagements. Failing to do so should be considered a G2G design flaw.

I think this can make some of them powerful while not solving issue of revenge bombers which are present at many brs. Plus where would devs put stuff like scorpion?
What actually should be changed is kill cams and 3d markers updating real time. Those encourage revenge bombing and should be reworked/removed imo. Without them players would spend some time searching, choosing and planning careful approach on targets instead of dive bombing on marker or position of their killer just for that “eye for eye” medal.

[Pangolin_Fan]

imo, the only scout/hit markers that should be shown to CAS is scouted/marked SPAA.

While we’re at it, hits from CAS shouldn’t create markers either. There’s already a literal beacon of tracers descending upon you from the heavens.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Kievskiy_Minipig

That plane is going to spawn and shred whatever is inside that bathub? Thats pretty much the only future player can see while playing open top vehicles tbf. Expecting plane to not focus such easy target is final stage of “naive”

So never use open-top vehicles because someone after getting around 100 SP can destroy You… right, this is how game should work!

@Creastroy

Because he should have accepted that before spawning. Or adding it into his lineup or any deciding to play it.

And this should have been balanced by lowering open tops’ BR, making them better in G2G engagements. Failing to do so should be considered a G2G design flaw.

The only design flaw is that someone can spawn a vehicle, a person in a tank can’t do anything about while in a tank.

[VeryWell101]

Yikes! Situational awareness will go a long way.

[ULQ_LOVER]

So no one should be using open tops.

Good to hear from someone needing to hide behind alt account.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@ULQ_LOVER

So never use open-top vehicles because someone after getting around 100 SP can destroy You… right, this is how game should work!

No? You can still play open tops just be aware that planes may focus and shred you. Just played 3 battles on sweden 3.7 sav: 8, 6 and 8 kills. I was playing stealthy and avoided being focused by planes.

@ULQ_LOVER

The only design flaw is that someone can spawn a vehicle, a person in a tank can’t do anything about while in a tank.

Just like someone can spawn pgz09, igla shilka, ozelot, gepard a2, machbet, imp chapparal, santal, sidam mistral and send missile / tracerless rounds at you while you are flying in a4b or any other aircraft without flares or rwr so you have no idea if there is serious threat and if that threat is already coming for you.

Or someone could spawn 2s38 or any other tracerless pf slinger and if you have no guided weaponry you are pretty much screwed.

You can either play those vehicles knowing there is risk of facing above mentioned things or you can avoid playing those vehicles. Game always gives you a choice.

[AR_M4Sopmod2]

@Kievskiy_Minipig

Waiting video where you get multiple planes with single cap.

I don’t play CAS, I’m not a sky coward

I use tanks in ground battle, I don’t spent all my game in the sky and finishing a game with 12 kills because CAS are op

[Pangolin_Fan]

“Look at me, I’m so much more moral than you cause I don’t use (x) overpowered feature!”

It’s definitely cause I’m a better person and not because I suck at using it and want it nerfed for everyone else that can use it better than me.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

A10A Late (10.7) costs 900 sp in uptier to 11.3. So your task will be getting 900 sp by capping one point. No need to have aircraft just record reaching that sp count with 1 cap.

[Creastroy]

@ULQ_LOVER

design flaw

Feature.

@ULQ_LOVER

can spawn a vehicle

With higher SP and low ammo

@ULQ_LOVER

can’t do anything about

Excellence of the feature. Some people simply can’t accept asymmetric combat.

[VeryWell101]

Wow man. … Just Wow. You should really just stop. You are embarrassing yourself… so much so I feel bad for you.

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

I see, you’re just incapable of making conclusions and thinking straight. You’re not even arguing with me, you’re arguing with someone else you made up for yourself.

@Kievskiy_Minipig

claiming jets have so much advantages while having 0.8kd on jet seems rather ironic.

They do and if you can’t use them and struggle/get upset as you clearly do - it’s a huge skill issue on your part.
You’re also picking jets that I played mostly in ARB to try and statshame me for?
You have your stats only with a dedicated undertiered ground attackers like SU-25BM and AV-8B. Which each have at least 4 FnF one click munitions. And the only one that you somehow managed to exceed a kd of 3 somehow is su-25bm and it is 1)rusian 2)sits on the one if not the most broken ru dominated br.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Kievskiy_Minipig

No? You can still play open tops just be aware that planes may focus and shred you. Just played 3 battles on sweden 3.7 sav: 8, 6 and 8 kills. I was playing stealthy and avoided being focused by planes.

You can still play it but there are going to be enemies who You can’t do anything about, right.

It is like saying that playing open-top has no real point.

@Kievskiy_Minipig

Just like someone can spawn pgz09, igla shilka, ozelot, gepard a2, machbet, imp chapparal, santal, sidam mistral and send missile / tracerless rounds at you while you are flying in a4b or any other aircraft without flares or rwr so you have no idea if there is serious threat and if that threat is already coming for you.

You mean something You can see?

Not to mention that You can determine by what B.R. battle has, what You are going to face?

@Kievskiy_Minipig

Or someone could spawn 2s38 or any other tracerless pf slinger and if you have no guided weaponry you are pretty much screwed.

If You don’t pay attention, sure.

When It comes to open top, no matter if You know that someone has spawned the air if You are already in a vehicle there is nothing You can do.

@Creastroy

Feature

For someone who wants to use the air, sure but for someone who wants to enjoy certain vehicle not so much.

@Creastroy

With higher SP and low ammo

So why not give people immortality for „x” SP?

@Creastroy

Excellence of the feature. Some people simply can’t accept asymmetric combat.

Even battlefield gives players weapons to deal with air all around the map, not to mention servers with no vehicles.

[ULQ_LOVER]

Said by an alt account, Yea.

If ones need to hide, he is the one embarassed.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@ShOt_MaCkEr

I see, you’re just incapable of making conclusions and thinking straight. You’re not even arguing with me, you’re arguing with someone else you made up for yourself.

Is that “someone else” in same room with us? Its just you and me mate.

@ShOt_MaCkEr

You’re also picking jets that I played mostly in ARB to try and statshame me for?

New excuses. Okay, go on and change that number to higher value in grb. Also 117 air kills / 474 deaths seems rather curious for “played mostly in arb”

@ShOt_MaCkEr

And the only one that you somehow managed to exceed a kd of 3 somehow is su-25bm and it is 1)rusian 2)sits on the one if not the most broken ru dominated br.

Id advice you to wipe “russian bias” or whatever it is from your eyes. 4 kd on a10a late at 10.7.

[Herojure24]

@Kievskiy_Minipig

Aa isnt anti tank weapon either. They both are made for dealing with air and both cant effectively kill ground targets. So its not just “aa only” disadvantage. But again: 70 sp vs 500 sp difference.

Oh but there are lightly armoured targets like ifvs, light tanks, and SPAA that all can be killed with even 20mm cannons via planes strafing them. The SPAA you claim to be so good and overpowered literally cannot engage ground targets at all.