God knows byt it peppers.
And cant pen a damg thing anymore, been using them again recently to try bring up my kd and god damn its only useful against the lightest of tanks
I typed up a list of almost every 9.3 mbt that is penned frontally by and i specified dart slinging auto cannons.
Dont mind getting caught out by a sly bugger in a bmp2 or 3 etc…
Do not enjoy trying to move my no armoured mobile mbt around a flank to encounter a 2s38 or strf bull that can fire one round frontally and win the engagement without even thinking.
And if theyre a slightly worse apds not a dart they can still just rattle off rounds like i do in the type 89
…except the Ikv and USH have far more penetration, and the Ikv has a LRF.
Really not a very good argument here.
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The USH should be utterly blown of the face of the earth anyway. It legit just slams rockets all day long so even if it whiffs the shot those stupid HEAT rockets can mess you up frontally.
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At least its ammo is somewhat low, unlike the Rakaten.
Fuck the rakaten, that thing is the bane of my existence.
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Neither of which matter in a close range situation against an autocannon. Alesst the ush doesn’t need to replace, but it does only have 2 crew.
They’re obviously better tanks overall, but they are just bad against any form of autocannon.
It’s an ush on a better platform, with more ammo, and it can survive more than a light breeze.
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It’s less that he doesn’t understand, more that he has a strange conformation bias against the fox
Play the T-55AMD, the APS will eat the rockets and you get a larger window of time to react to it, usually a combined of mg to mark it through all the smoke then the use the main cannon in the third person view, repeatedly spam the range finder will also help you locate the position of that little rat lol
So I’ve been playing the Fox and I’m still waiting to find the " Hey, this is OP " moment. From personal experience so far as I work on spading it, it has so far proven to be just okay in my book. So far there as been only the one memorable moment against just tactically unaware individuals.
If these guys were more aware it would’ve been an easy counter.
The more I play it the more I find it to be pretty middlin’ even for a light tank.
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I’ve not played it a huge amount yet, but I have the same stance, if you get spotted, you die. But watching blind players walk past you and then get salty when they get killed is just funny
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I’ve also had many instances where I’d learned the hard way that the APHE is extremely unreliable even point-blank and all I succeed in doing is giving myself away to a vehicle I had thought I could take on.
Whether that changes with the APDS I’ll have to see.
It’s also basically impossible to destroy someone’s cannon with it.
Leo’s sure, but Leo’s are pretty much a light tank let’s be honest.
Amxs not sure where frontally that goes through.
MBT-70 last I knew could withstand the APFSDS of 30mm, as I’ve seen it eat 85mm APFSDS or 90mm APFSDS somehow.
Cents are easier vs pattons have that odd side armor.
Chieftain shouldn’t be a super easy target to kill, maybe semi unaware sure, but frontally? How?
Average fox user
You can also aa mg the raket turret / turret ring to kill the gunner
it eats the 80 pen stuff, teh BMP2M has over 100 pen, 2s38 has over 200 flat pen, Type 89 has over 120 pen.
frontally the chieftains hull can be penned by any of the aformentioned tanks, hence why i said mk10 and khalid, not the mk3 and mk5 due to the lower BRs.
You didnt even read what i said at all.
im telling you all the Br 9.3 tanks that can see auto cannons that are either the same BR or marginally higher BR.
the sheer fire rate of them on some of them cause BS overpressures as well, look at spaa that can over pressure a chieftains turret.
the fox and what not are fine at their BRsim more referencing higher BRd auto cannons with far superior penetration.
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Yes because I only read your reply. But with that 80mm lower plate the chally could be killed by a T-34 with the 76.2 mm gun which only has like what? 96 pen.
Doesn’t mean those auto cannons are exactly really good cuz the chally was a poor design.
I’d recommend staying hull down. When I did that I felt invincible in the chally DS
Also, the m247 can kill T-72s frontally due to over pressure as well.
Also this whole thread is in regards to the fox, not really anything else unless it’s a good comparison.
The unbelievable levels of cope with every post continues to shock me each time you press reply to someone lmafo.
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the threads got thousands of responses with mentions of literally many different things.
on top of that, ive used the chieftains extensively with hundreds of games across all of them.
even the chally DS gets its turret penned by the likes of 2s38 and type89s etc due to the sheer volume of rounds they fire down range.
also the M247 is renowned for the aphe doing insane damage.
now the gepards etc are lower BR and have a dart.
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As far as I know the game doesn’t model armor degradation unless it’s on ships.