If playing 6.7 isnt there statistically only like, 4 players at 7.7? How many of them are likely to be British? How many will use Fox? How many games are full uptiers?
Might be a case of hyperfixation on fox so you notice fox more when fox pops up.
Also, get out-🦊ed
If the Fox is so good, especially against Ivans then I really, really need to start playing it.
I enjoy making Ivans cry and rage. It fills me with immense joy.
Though it’s really not that it’s super outstanding - It’s more that many people are just braindead.
More so Tiger 2s
Which can also deal with the Fox so long as due awareness is paid.
And you know what? Sometimes you still die. That’s just how it is. You cannot win every match without ever dying. It just doesn’t happen that way.
Been playing 6.7 germany and every uptier i saw a fox. You want to know what happened? I angled, like you would do for any other tank, and managed to 8mm the wheels and nuke it with a long 88… I also had to face against a squad of 2 of them, you want to know what i did. I simply rushed them so as to not give them a chance to flank or reposition… If i can do this black out drunk i think the average player can manage a little bit better than “oh its just an instant death machine”…
The only time ive had trouble with it is when it already got behind me, all i did was angle my turret and reverse so as to not allow it to pen me, you dont always have to turn towards them as alot of tanks at these brs have good rear turret armour as well…
I’ve killed many T-90Ms in my click bait, it’s not hard.
And no I wasn’t referring to bull weak spots earlier.
It’s really weird that you didnt bring up the whole other argument in regards to the Su-39 & R-77s, did you make that up? Or did you not understand?
Because
11.3 A-10C = 12.0 Su-39 with R-77s is what I was saying, since yah know irl weapons and such. But neither plane needs them.
The A-10C will be perfectly fine at 12.0, still being better than the Su-25SM3 at a higher br.
The VBC at 9.0, with 80mm pen was able to kill Obj 435s at 650 meters, on a well angled side… that’s a 25mm. I think the fox will be quite fine even if it got dropped to 94mm pen.
I’m sorry excuse me? So the fox is okay to seal club but I have a skill issue XD
As you and all the defends of the fox have said, you think it’s bad, but my low level crew dominated
It’s a stupid idea to you because it would be somewhat balanced, seeing as how the A-10C was 11.3, with 4 of the best IR aams in sim.
Considering speed of the Su-39, you’d have plenty of time to react to an R-77, but as you aptly put, you come behind cas and shoot them down with your main gun, so why would this be a problem for you?
Su-39 as it is ≠ A-10C at 11.7
Su-39 has less than half the CMS, turn rate, half the ircm aams, and you’ll say “Vikhir” but, that has like 10g overload…
Stop being biased dude. I look for balance and you’re trying to paint me like some worshipper of Stalin or something.
Nor have I seen any info to confirm the Su-39 can carry R-24T/Rs. I’ve only seen it can carry R-60ms, R-73s, and R-77. (Without getting into crazy aams)
The Su-24 was supposed to get 2xR73 and 2xR60Ms, but gaijin said nope to that, but allowed an aircraft of the same br to have 4 aim-9ms (if that’s not called biased I don’t know what is).
See you just want to be able to fly your FGR uncontested & if it’s not UK, and if it’s especially USSR it must suffer
Considering speed of the A-10C you’d have plenty of time to react to an Aim-9M, but as you aptly put, you come behind cas and shoot them down with your main gun, so why would this be a problem for you?
Then Aim-9M for the Tornado Gr1 AND drop it down to 11.3. Sounds good to me
Yeah, no not really. Its not even an aircraft I play at all at the moment. For a number of reasons and that list is only getting longer:
FGR2 is already dead because it now has to face Su-27s in ARB in full uptiers (which are likely to be quite common)
In Sim, its dead because it has to face Mig-23MLDs 24/7
This entire thread is “Britian has 1 good vehicle, it must be nerfed”
You want R-77s at 12.0 and you claim you care about balance?
Yeah… No. If Su-39 is 12.0 with R-77s, then Sea Harrier FA2 should be 12.3.
I never said the Su-39 cant have its historical loadout, its down to BR to balance that. If you want a Su-39 at 12.7, thats up to you.
But if you really think the Su-39 at 12.0 would be even remotely balanced with R-77s, then you should have no issue at all in things like:
Phantom FGR2 at 12.0 getting its historically accurate Aim-9Ls
Tornado Gr1 at 11.7 getting its historically accurate Aim-9Ms
Tornado F3 at 12.0 getting its historically accurate Aim-9Ms
Sea Harrier FRS1 at 11.3 getting its historically accurate Aim-9Ms
Jaguar Gr1A at 10.3 getting its historically accurate AIm-9Ls
Sea Harrier FA2 at 13.0 getting its historically accurate ASRAAM
Torando F3 AOP at 13.3 getting its historically accurate ASRAAM
SAAF JAS39C at 13.7 getting its historically accurate IRIS-T
Never said that once, only said that it should be equal to the Su-39/Su-25T at 11.7 and that 12.0-12.3 wasn’t a good idea. Which Gaijin seems to agree with.
Just mostly disagreed with this idea that Aim-9M are a totally OP missile without equal in game, which is a line you like to repeat. Its not, its just different to R-73s but overall, equal.
Blud really thinks the FGR is competitive in the current environment?
Lol. Lmfao.
Enough disruption…
Back on topic… Thanks!
Difference is that the Freccia protoype has one of the highest RoF on an autocannon (on a tank) in game and that means it can hunt for weakspots through spraying at the side of things or turret necks and the like, drastically increasing the chance of a penetrating and damaging shot.
Fox on the other hand has the worst RoF for an autocannon in game, as a result the 1-2 shots you get account for about 20-30 of the VBC and if the pen is reduced to the point where the Fox shares a penetration value with a cannon that can output twice or 3 times the amount of rounds before an enemy can respond then it becomes practically useless, the main strength the fox has is it’s ability to reach a favourable position early compared to the tanks it faces, the gun isn’t the problem, the BR is
That’s why I said 94 for the fox. And I was using the APDS on the VBC. Since i didn’t have its APFSDS yet, and when I mean he was angled, like I was just spraying through bushes. And I don’t think any normal 90-105mm shell would’ve gone through.
Also, on another random note, can anyone check to see if for them as well, the Vcc 80/60s composite turret armor isn’t working? I got killed by a gepard using aphe through it.
Should give the warrior its apfsds if the apds gets nerfed hard tbh
Oh my good god now you’re calling bias on the moderation team. Players I can get my head round but now you’re just asking for pretty much everyone from every single corner to deservedly rip into you, British or not
I’ve got some popcorn if you’d like some.
If the iteration of the Fox we have in-game actually carried APFSDS I don’t see why not. Would most likely end up getting it uptiered but if the shell is good enough to remain competitive I don’t see an issue there.
So long as it existed and was tested on a RARDEN before 1993 we could probably justify for it. After that is debatable, since the Fox was Out of Service by that point.
It’s not as if there’s other tanks at higher BRs relying on Gun only with Sabot… sure Fox would be a bit of an outlier without a stabiliser, but a Fin clip would be justification enough to see it at 8.3, dependent on round performance of course.