Id take slightly slower but tracked vehicle I think anyway. The ability to turn on a dime would be really handy
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How about no, lets not artificial nerf vehicles because Russia isnt capable of making a decent 30mm shell.
Just because they have similar stat card speed doesnt mean they are equal. One is a troop transport the other is designed to be fast because its a recon vehicle, just as the other CVRTs that haven’t been added to the British tree yet.
Wow another hot take, so now, no longer, can people have opinions, neat.
Your logic makes no sense…
2a72: 30x165mm
Raden: 30x170mm
“ThEyRe nOT sImIlaR”
it isn’t an artificial nerf, it’s a ballistically realistic nerf, either that, or other vehicles need buffs. It’s called “balance”
Okay, so the 2S25 is a CVR, should it go faster then?
The BTR could certainly fulfill the role of “go be a scouty boy” I’m sure. Saying one vehicle is subjected to one role is like saying aircraft should only engage other aircraft, it doesn’t make sense.
There really isn’t a reason for the Fox to go up
You’re entitled to your opinion… just if you’re trying to pass it off as facts it’s wrong and we’re all equally entitled to say that.
One fires a round which is 200m/s faster than the other… guess which one that would be.
well clearly it isn’t, because someone would’ve bug reported it by now.
The only thing that’s been bug reported was the clip size (been fixed) and the rate of fire (not fixed, because not enough valid sources exist to prove it has a higher ROF)
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If your ready comprehensive could be better you’d have understand that when I said They’re not Similar was when I was talking about BTR / Fox’s speeds.
Why don’t you call the Soviet Union and tell them to make a better 30mm shell if your having that much of a breakdown over the RARDEN having better penetration.
2S25 isn’t a CVR. Is meant for Airborne forces, and is a amphibious tank destroyer. Keep trying.
execpt you are just moaning and crying…
I’ll let you in on a little secret…the devs don’t buff and nerf tank stats for balance reasons…thats why we have the BR sytem. If the devs though that the Fox being at 7.7 was a problem they would take action. heck the next time we get a round of BR changes we might even see the Fox’s BR change.
But until that time there is very little point in venting/moaning/crying/what ever about the fox…
if it bothers you that much go outside and get some fresh air or something moaning about it here doesn’t help and tbh you are not helping your argument.
Ah yes the facts I’ve presented are all wrong, take me away mr. Secret police officer.
Just because someone hasn’t bug reported it, doesn’t mean that, that is the case.
Lastly, shell weight can determine velocity, it’s like grains in a bullet, the heavy the grain, the more damage it’ll produce.
Brother, have you even seen the Abrams reload? Used to be 6.0 secs, but for BALANCE, since USA teams preform so poorly somehow, they now have a 5.0 sec reload time.
Qual time is between 5.0-8.0 secs on the abrams, which if you take all loaders and compile their times, they usually equate to a reload time of 6.12-6.57 secs.
So yes, things are balanced purely for the sake of balance.
maybe I should have been clearer for you…
Reload/ammo types is the only thing they will change…
Happy Now???
Reloads and shells availability are relegated to balance by Gaijin.
Physical shell performance isn’t.
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They change shell penetration rather often…?
And that would be a balancing factor, if the fox wasn’t able to destroy everything super far away with its clearly unbalanced 110 pen.
The fox pen should be dropped, or buff the btrs since they are rather similar guns.
For example: a BTR-80 can engage a M48, but even with the APDS belt, due to poor gun depression, it pretty much has to be right behind the M48.
Xm800: can’t pen pretty much anywhere, same with the RCV.
The fox if I am correct on the armor values, can frontally, if not reliably side pen the M48 at a decent distance. (Using an m48 as an example as they are super common)
Because they often find information about a shell that would require them to update its characteristics? Seriously, how dense are you.
Find information about 2A42 and 2A72 and forward it to Gaijin. Since they haven’t been changed in ages, just maybe thats all the 2A42 and 2A72 are capable of.
I literally posted pictures every every MBT / Heavy / Medium that the XM800 can kill / burn out but it seems you just willfully ignored that.
Good luck with how inaccurate RARDEN is at range.
Its almost like 80% of post war Medium tanks don’t have thick side armour besides the T-54/T-55s.
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Hard disagree. The XM800T is easier to use than the Fox, but not better. The Fox has a much higher skill ceiling.
The Fox can keep moving after losing half its wheels, the XM800T cant move with one track. The Fox has a higher max pen (almost double) giving it the ability to kill tanks outright that the XM800T can only annoy or maybe burn if it has the time.
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This is simply a case of what you prefer in a vehicle.
Fox
- Wheeled (less Control)
- No Stab
- Slower RoF
- Higher Pen
XM800T
- Tracked (More Control)
- Stab
- Insane RoF
- Lower Pen
Fox becomes hard to control an rough terrain due to it being wheeled. Where the XM800T isn’t affected as much. Having a stabilizer with the XM800T is just a huge advantage for tracking and breaking barrels while on the move, if you want to break a track or barrel with the Fox, you have to come to a dead stop to do so. (depending entirely on the terrain)
Fox is generally played by more skilled players (higher skilled players usually play minor nations) and of course the population playing it is less whereas the XM800T is going to be more numerous with it being in a major TT, where a larger population of lower skilled players.
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The Fox also has a higher overall top speed (at least in RB) and can move backwards just as fast as forwards. The XM has better depression (-20) than the Fox (-14) but only when facing forwards where as the Fox has consistent depression at all angles. The Fox has more armor which gives it the chance to resist 50cal fire at some angles.
I can’t verify this without firing the game up but I’m pretty sure the Fox has better optics than the XM800T and even if they’re similar the Fox’s higher pen round allows it to reach out further than the XM800T, thus giving it a greater effective combat range.
Even without a stabilizer a skilled Fox player can land shots on the move, not barrel breakers or track shots per se but since the round is more effective they don’t necessarily need to be.
Raw top speed isn’t end all be all. Comes down to power to weight ration and top speed
Fox = 32 hp/t
XM800T = 33.1 hp/t
Eland 90 = 15 hp/t
The Eland 90 has 100 km/h top speed but takes forever to reach even 60/70 with its awful 15 hp/t, whereas the Fox/XM can get to 60/70 easily with their hp/t.
While the difference between 33.1 and 32 isn’t much, XM800T is still going to be more responsive then the Fox. Depending on Terrain (snow etc) XM800T will be faster.
I’ve had instances while playing the Fox, if I had been able to break a tanks track or barrel on the move, I might have not died. If I had the XM800T, I could have easily done that.
I quite enjoy both tanks. Both have good and bad sides. The XM800T is very powerful when played right though. Same with the Fox
And I’m sure XM800T players have had instances where if they could have killed a tank outright they would have survived too.
Besides you’re forgetting the single most important stat, the Fox has a much greater potential for Shenanigans. An XM800T could never do this:
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you just hit him with a taunt before killing him lol
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