My guy what universe are you living in? The best players in the game usually reside in the French or Swedish tree.
You didn’t read what I said.
Since when did Swedish and French players come into anything I said?
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The Fox hit him hard, he got now post-traumatic moments. Gaijin should better make more safe spaces for players that get hurt by pixel tanks.
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I’m not the only one who believes the fox is too good. But hey that’s alright, be one sided.
So what do you want to do about it?
If it goes up much more it will be facing IFVs with AGMs, Stabilisers and TVD with none of the above.
Its gun isnt overperforming (might even be underperforming slightly)
Its mobility is correctly modeled.
As far as I am aware, its armour is correctly modeled, at least no more problematic than literally any other light tank in game.
So what do you want to do about. Fake nerfs for the sake of fake nerfs? If thats the case then I vote to fake nerf the BMPs so that they cant fire AGMs on the move like everyone else. Or nerf the ERA on soveit tanks to match the performance of ERA of NATO tanks. etc etc etc.
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This is probably the reason why Britain rarely ever gets exact correct stats for their vehicles. If everything is exact; then it makes it harder to nerf Britain. Because then they cannot nerf the correct stats.
Theoretically:
Fox could be down tiered to nerf it (Less Squishies).
Fox could be uptiered, but could only go to 8.0 (which wouldn’t really do anything)… Because Warrior exists at 8.3 and is better in all ways but two.
I guess you could make it 8.3. But then no one would use it. Because there are nice things around 8.3 because they cannot raise them any higher for same reason as Fox.
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honestly if you hate the Fox this much just play the XM800T. Those bastards are a hard counter to the Fox due to their similar mobility and rapid fire cannon. I’ve had to start loading 3/30 APHE/APDS with APHE on tap first just to deal with them and even that doesn’t work every time.
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And the XM800 has a stabiliser
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I’ve noticed when I do land an APHE one shot on them in an early match rat fight sometimes the guy just leaves.
So UK got something that makes fun and also good damage and you’re nagging about it, the reason is probably that you have a problem with the UK itself.
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hey, it’s understandable. maybe one of us dropped some tea on him and scolded him.
Not agreeing with you isn’t being one sided.
Conversely, we’re also not the only people who think the Fox is fine where it is.
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Off topic here but regarding the BTR; you are correct that something is wrong with the 2A72 and 2A42. The 2A72 uses a longer barrel and is chambered for higher pressures but in-game there’s no difference between penetration or muzzle velocity between the 2 guns, so at least one of them is incorrect.
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That’s a lot to un-pack, but hey, that’s okay,
I’ll do it for you :)
Literal proof they are extremely similar weapons. And the Brit gun is over preforming / the BTR is far under preforming.
If the fox went up in Br, it would actually be better balanced for all its good characteristics, fighting enemy’s with stabilizers is a bit better balanced.
It’s armor blocks .50cals a lot of the time it would seem, even at just 30-50 meters.
As for fake things, the fox was first produced in 1972,
I don’t think it should see 9.3 T-72s, but it should definitely be at 8.0.
The only bmps that can fire ATGMs on the move are the BMP3, BMD 4 (not a bmp, but thought I should list it), and BMP-2M, the most powerful being the BMP-2M, IF your at extremely close range, otherwise 320 m/s isn’t that quick, and they are easy to dodge. I do agree things such as the Bradly A3 (10.0) should be able to fire its ATGMs on the move, as it can irl. But it’s funny you only mention the Russian vehicles, the new PUMA, and the Chinese light tank have IR FnF ATGMs, that can fire on the move.
But since you bring it up, the Krisentema, and Shturm-S should be able to fire on the move, but they retract their launchers, and have to be completely still for “balance” reasons.
NATO tanks have better turret traverse etc, over their soveit counterparts, meaning that no, they should actually fix the ERA on Soviet tanks, Kontact 5 and relict aren’t all the effective, in fact, I don’t have the clip anymore, but I took a Turm III into 10.7, and was destroying T-90A tanks, from the side hitting their ERA directly, with a HEAT-FS round, which should’ve been defeated but wasn’t.
So no, for the sake of balance, the Xm-800T, and Fox can become 8.0
So we then can move the Warrior down to 8.0 or 7.7 as a replacement right?
Falcon. More squishy and we need an anti heli at 7.7 for those uptiers.
Wait…
Thats yet another vehicle that is over BRed for the fact Brits are good players (FFS Russia has a shilka at 7.3 thats technically better than this thing… A FULL 1.0 lower. PSA It’s able to shread Foxes and most light vehicles).
Warrior has TOW AND STABILISED “OP” gun of the Fox; so thats not gonna work (Also drone scout).
Looks like UK is gonna get nothing -good- great again for Ground fights around 7.7. Though this is only if the Devs listen to them. But it’s not like the devs really listen to UK issues…
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But the Warrior doesn’t have aany speed is clearly the problem so it can swap places with the Fox since speed is the problem. Right?
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Oh good idea, bring the bmp2 to 7.3 too.
Why is everyone in the forums so dense and unable to accept things are op?
Does anyone think the T-29 is op? Because the ones in opposition of getting the fox nerfed probably are the same ones who thought the is-6 was op, yet the T-29 is still the same Br, but the is-6 is the br of a maus, which ngl 7.3 was a good spot for it.
Maybe you should accept that the Fox isn’t that overpowered. XM800T is simply better then it, but somehow im not seeing the same amount of crying over the XM800T is OP
Maybe adapt to the new vehicles when they are added, and learn to deal with them. Gaijin will move them around accordingly and if we look at the Fox’s BR history?
Was only moved once, to 7.7. If it was such a problem, Gaijin would have moved it up more by now.
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Fox: 51.0 degrees per sec turret traverse, 110mm pen. Speed: 61 mph, gun depression: -14, size: tiny
Xm800: 90.0 degrees per sec, 66 pen. Speed: 55mph, gun depression: -20, size: small
Marder A1: 60 degrees per sec, 57 pen (HVAP, likely to break on high angles) speed: 47 mph, gun depression: -14, size: large
BTR-80A: 30 degree per sec, 82 pen (also Russias only true tank like the fox) speed: 54 mph (I think irl it’s 58, but whatever.) gun depression: -5 (also a random bar behind the turret that prevents you shooting rear-ward), size: large
Type 87 RCV: 51 degrees per sec, 66 pen. Speed: 62 mph, gun depression: -10, size: medium-to-small
China doesn’t have one at a similar br.
Italy: same as Russia.
France: AML, but not an auto cannon, so it doesn’t count.
Sweden: doesn’t have something similar.
Israel: doesn’t have anything similar.
I agree, both the Fox and Xm800 are very potent and extremely good, except, pretty much the XM can kill what, only light tanks for the most part? Maybe Leo 1s?
It’s a great anti air, I’ll say that much.
And yes I’ll adapt by installing the abrams turret drive into my T-54, brilliant!
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