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That’s a lot to un-pack, but hey, that’s okay,
I’ll do it for you :)
Literal proof they are extremely similar weapons. And the Brit gun is over preforming / the BTR is far under preforming.
If the fox went up in Br, it would actually be better balanced for all its good characteristics, fighting enemy’s with stabilizers is a bit better balanced.
It’s armor blocks .50cals a lot of the time it would seem, even at just 30-50 meters.
As for fake things, the fox was first produced in 1972,
I don’t think it should see 9.3 T-72s, but it should definitely be at 8.0.
The only bmps that can fire ATGMs on the move are the BMP3, BMD 4 (not a bmp, but thought I should list it), and BMP-2M, the most powerful being the BMP-2M, IF your at extremely close range, otherwise 320 m/s isn’t that quick, and they are easy to dodge. I do agree things such as the Bradly A3 (10.0) should be able to fire its ATGMs on the move, as it can irl. But it’s funny you only mention the Russian vehicles, the new PUMA, and the Chinese light tank have IR FnF ATGMs, that can fire on the move.
But since you bring it up, the Krisentema, and Shturm-S should be able to fire on the move, but they retract their launchers, and have to be completely still for “balance” reasons.
NATO tanks have better turret traverse etc, over their soveit counterparts, meaning that no, they should actually fix the ERA on Soviet tanks, Kontact 5 and relict aren’t all the effective, in fact, I don’t have the clip anymore, but I took a Turm III into 10.7, and was destroying T-90A tanks, from the side hitting their ERA directly, with a HEAT-FS round, which should’ve been defeated but wasn’t.
So no, for the sake of balance, the Xm-800T, and Fox can become 8.0
So we then can move the Warrior down to 8.0 or 7.7 as a replacement right?
Falcon. More squishy and we need an anti heli at 7.7 for those uptiers.
Wait…
Thats yet another vehicle that is over BRed for the fact Brits are good players (FFS Russia has a shilka at 7.3 thats technically better than this thing… A FULL 1.0 lower. PSA It’s able to shread Foxes and most light vehicles).
Warrior has TOW AND STABILISED “OP” gun of the Fox; so thats not gonna work (Also drone scout).
Looks like UK is gonna get nothing -good- great again for Ground fights around 7.7. Though this is only if the Devs listen to them. But it’s not like the devs really listen to UK issues…
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But the Warrior doesn’t have aany speed is clearly the problem so it can swap places with the Fox since speed is the problem. Right?
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Oh good idea, bring the bmp2 to 7.3 too.
Why is everyone in the forums so dense and unable to accept things are op?
Does anyone think the T-29 is op? Because the ones in opposition of getting the fox nerfed probably are the same ones who thought the is-6 was op, yet the T-29 is still the same Br, but the is-6 is the br of a maus, which ngl 7.3 was a good spot for it.
Maybe you should accept that the Fox isn’t that overpowered. XM800T is simply better then it, but somehow im not seeing the same amount of crying over the XM800T is OP
Maybe adapt to the new vehicles when they are added, and learn to deal with them. Gaijin will move them around accordingly and if we look at the Fox’s BR history?
Was only moved once, to 7.7. If it was such a problem, Gaijin would have moved it up more by now.
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Fox: 51.0 degrees per sec turret traverse, 110mm pen. Speed: 61 mph, gun depression: -14, size: tiny
Xm800: 90.0 degrees per sec, 66 pen. Speed: 55mph, gun depression: -20, size: small
Marder A1: 60 degrees per sec, 57 pen (HVAP, likely to break on high angles) speed: 47 mph, gun depression: -14, size: large
BTR-80A: 30 degree per sec, 82 pen (also Russias only true tank like the fox) speed: 54 mph (I think irl it’s 58, but whatever.) gun depression: -5 (also a random bar behind the turret that prevents you shooting rear-ward), size: large
Type 87 RCV: 51 degrees per sec, 66 pen. Speed: 62 mph, gun depression: -10, size: medium-to-small
China doesn’t have one at a similar br.
Italy: same as Russia.
France: AML, but not an auto cannon, so it doesn’t count.
Sweden: doesn’t have something similar.
Israel: doesn’t have anything similar.
I agree, both the Fox and Xm800 are very potent and extremely good, except, pretty much the XM can kill what, only light tanks for the most part? Maybe Leo 1s?
It’s a great anti air, I’ll say that much.
And yes I’ll adapt by installing the abrams turret drive into my T-54, brilliant!
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Fox: CVR - No Stabilizer
XM800T: CVR - Stabilizer
Marder A1: APC - No Stabilizer - ATGM
BTR-80A: APC - No Stabilizer
Type 87 RCV: RCV - Stabilizer
Complaining on the forums that your APC doesn’t have equal or better performance that CVRs is wild. Two vastly different vehicle types that are simply thrown into the same vehicle category.
Good thing XM800T and RCV have a stabilizer and are entirely capable of shooting tracks and barrels while on the move. 66mm of pen can easily burn out most tanks with shooting fuel tanks and engines, through hull sides or rear.
Why is everyone in the forums so dense
Instead of purposefully being dense you should instead maybe learn lanes and areas where fast rat cars will go and mindful of the nations on the opposing team so you can expect such tanks on flanking routes.
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You can’t kill alot stuff with 60mm pen. I know this from my Wiesel. 60mm ist just supermeh to go ground hunting. Fox has 110mm pen. Almost double, kills all targets reliably from the side and alot even frontally.
I’d say Fox is far, far better. And fully deserves an up-BR. I’d say considering its tiny size + speed + gun handling + pen…it should be 9.7.
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Ah yes let me do the work of my whole team, which lets tanks slip by, how silly of me.
How about you make a list of vehicles that can be penned by 66 mm pen rounds, 6.7-8.7, anything that is an medium tank, heavy, Td, none of the soft targets, such as light tanks, aa, or easily to kill tds.
But yes I do expect my apc to do similar things as a cvr, especially since the guns are very identical :)
Ah yes, Begliet57 and Fox, one in the same.
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Any British tank @7.7 or later…
including the Conq
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I don’t disagree, 66mm of pen is meh on the Weasel but with XM you have the speed to get the sides.
Asking a Truck to perform like a F1 car. This is why your on the forums complaining about the Fox.
Okay.
Spoiler
M26 / E5 / E1-1 / M46 / T34 / T32 / T32E1 / M47 / Family
T-95
T-28
M48A1
M60 Family
M103
T95E1
T54E1 & E2 Family
TAM
Leo 1
Ferdy
268
T-44-100
Any T-54 / T-55 Hull
435
Centurion Mk.3
FV2402
Conway
Caernaervon
Conq
Vickers Mk.1
Centurion Mk.10
Vickers Mk.3
Cheiftain 3 / 5 / 10
ST-As
Ho-Ri Production
STBs
OF-40s
AMX-M4
AMX-50 Foch
AMX-30
AMX-50
AMX-50 TOA
AMX-30B2 Brenus
Strv 103s
All tanks listed are able to be penned and burned out at the very least and most can be killed from the side.
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That’s a higher BR than the BMP-2s and similar tanks. How is it equal to 9.7 IFVs?
It should be 8.0 max. The XM800T is arguably equal to it, with the Wiesel only being slightly worse.
Sorry I’m using logic to fight you illogical comments. No im not asking it to be an F1 car, but both the fox and btrs are trucks no?
If it’s 9.7 worthy then the puma should be 11.7
Thats a first time i have seen anyone call Fox a truck.
But yes I do expect my apc to do similar things as a cvr, especially since the guns are very identical :)
You are quite literally asking for the BTR-80A, A troop transport vehicle to be able to perform as a reconnaissance vehicle. Two vastly different vehicles, designed to do to entirely different roles. You are literally asking the BTR-80A to be a Fox. Just because they have similar guns doesn’t mean they are “very identical”.
The only illogical thing here is your incessant nerf boner for Britain and the Fox.
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Yeah, like the Fox is an armoured car, which implies it is a fast vehicle, but the BTR is a troop carrier not intended to be as fast as something like an armoured car. Also the fox is made of aluminium armour for the sake of being lighter for speed, whilst the BTR-80A is made of steel intended for better armour protection, since it would carry troops.
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