That doesn’t seem right at all.
That’s like the chally that “took 40 rpg hits” but in reality it was a bunch of 23mm anti aircraft gun hits, 1 HE rpg, and 1 HEAT RPG
Also, why is the fox very resistant to over pressure? When playing the btr I can get in the rear most wheel by heat and die, but shooting a fox doesn’t do the same with hits on the back of the turret?
You mean when you were arguing about the length of the RARDEN and kept trying to insist that it includes the optional flash suppressor?
I dont have this experience shooting BTRs, in fact I usually have to try to snipe the crew with HEAT-FS lol.
Because overall it is shorter…? That’s just a fact.
And we were talking about case length, weight etc etc.
Case length of the Rarden is not much longer than the BTR’s 2a72 it was what, 12-16mm longer if I recall.
If I get breathed on in my BTR I explode.
The only exception is the Italian one, as it has a bunch of crap on it. It’s still super squishy but not as much.
In terms of survivability, for how tiny the fox is, getting hit by large caliber rounds in the crew compartment hardly seems to phase it.
Rarden has a more powerful shell than most 30mm guns, its closest cousin is the 30mm fired by the GAU 8 on the A10 (that being a 30x173 and RARden being a 30x170) its that kind of beefy so just from that you can see that its APHE seems a little underpowered in game which then indicates significant underpowering in the sabot shot. Rarden also has a longer barrel than the GAU 8 by a couple of inches letting it get a little more velocity out (1070-80m/s on HE vs 1000-1010m/s)
BAE systems claims its 4x as powerful as the 30mm it replaced, they redid their website and I’m waiting for info on rarden to be put on there. As they have no proof on their site I cannot confirm this
(link for future people reading this https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/medium-calibre-ammunition-30mm-rarden )
Heres rarden next to GAU 8 and 25mm bushmaster for the scale of how huge this shell is. I couldn’t find a photo next to a 30mm bushmaster so the 25mm will have to do
Deceptively good armour for a recon vehicle.
plus its damage model is much newer than the one on the BTR so its got less wonky crap going on 38mm of aluminium 7039 vs 6-8mm of face-hardened steel on the BTR.
Its not a fair comparison in the armour game to use the BTR. Its armour is closer to the XM800T which has 25.4mm of the same aluminium grade.
No I meant it hit the wheel, the bottom of the rear most wheel
thats a damage model error. older and lazier done models are wonky AF.
2a72: 30x165mm (chamber pressure equivalent to nato 30x173mm)
Rarden 30x180mm
Therefore one of two things is happening.
The cases are a 7mm difference.
Yes the fox is heavier, thus will pen more immediately, but drop off overtime quicker.
But the difference shouldnt be whatever it is in game.
What is it 110mm vs 82mm?
Really it should be closer to 110mm vs 94-98mm
Then why is R3 t106 at BR 8.0 when it should be at BR 7.7 as for Fox? This tells you that the balance does not exist.
7mm of powder space is a lot more than you may think. we are also talking about late soviet quality weaponry versus a late 60s developed British gun when we were making the best artillery in the world at the time.
the Shipunov also has a far lower muzzle velocity, it cant hold a candle to the RARDEN single shell penetration
Edit: the 2A72 gun is probably pretty close to realistic give or take a centimetre or so, Soviet quality was very poor
7mm Is big in width sure. Length, especially on a cannon? Not so much.
We are talking about small calibre canons here 7mm extra length on a shell casing for a 30mm is like an extra 28mm of case length on a 120mm
I agreed the Rarden is more powerful no?
It just shouldn’t be gapping the 2a72 by that much.
Especially since Russian gunpowder is known to be a bigger charge.
lmfao what? mate where the hell did you get that idea from? Its all basically the same. The only thing to really affect “power” is how small a powder granule is so it burns faster
Actually… hold on. I miss read this. The Russian 30x165mm is equivalent to a nato 30x173mm.
The Rarden is a 30x170mm. Therefore… the 2a72 actually has the longer case.
A lot of ammo that Russia makes has more power behind it. Like .308 for example.
A nato .308 vs a Russian made .308
bro you feeling ok? how are you getting to this conclusion? smaller mm length in name is not bigger
the closest russian calibre is the 7.62x39mm which is a good bit weaker than a .308 which is 7.62x51mm
its got something like 40% the case capacity for smokeless powder.
source: 7.62x39 vs 308 – Rifle Rounds That Defined a Generation.
I need to ask this after this discussion. Are you Russian? because I’ve only seen this kind of defence of a countries weaker stuff from vatniks.
