Which post ? I think it’s more that it’s a problem of misunderstand coz the only thing i think is that i would rather gaijin to focus on other features than this very change, and in wt, ap/apcr pay their Pen with less post pen effect than aphe
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I don’t think it would be very difficult to change numbers in the game, apart from the fact that not many changes would have to be made, since an APHE fix simply lowers the extreme effectiveness of those vehicles, which means that almost nothing would have to be touched, because it lowers the effectiveness of all with APHE, and the rest simply gain a greater chance of not dying from a shot, I don’t think the Br of attacks that have only gained a small chance of not dying from a shot should be raised.
The big change would be to improve the damage of the other bullets, which would mean that artificially buffed tanks with low Br would have to be upgraded. But that’s another topic, and if it ever happens it won’t be soon.
APCR has many problems with sloped armor, apart from the fact that the projectile breaks. The AP penetrates more than the APHE because of its barrel or its mass, not because of the bullet itself, for example look at the penetration of the 76mm Sherman barrel, the APHE penetrates more than the AP.
A curiosity, you said you liked playing with Shermans, try playing a whole day with the 75mm M72 or the 76mm M79, both AP.
The way that the formula works, if a round has explosive filler mass that is over 0.65% of the total projectile mass, it receives a penalty to penetration.
However, uncapped rounds also receive a penalty in penetration, a multiplier of 0.9×.
For US APHE vs AP, the uncapped penalty far outweighs the filler penalty.
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I understand that APHE have a certain penalty, since after all they have a cavity that makes the integrity of the projectile affected (for example the Italian 90mm projectiles were bad because they were practically SAPHE), and that the uncapped AP lose penetration due to the tip breaking, but essentially the cap was designed to face hardened steel armor, which means that not having a cap was not a problem if it was not against hardened steel. It is also worth noting that in WW2 American ammunition had poor heat treatment which caused them to break on impact. If the American APHE has a cap, it also had a rounded tip, which made it more difficult to pierce armor, and made the AP better for this task.And that’s without taking into account that the American APHEs had many problems with premature detonations, which made them very irregular. That’s why the British didn’t complicate their lives and removed the fuse and explosive charge, making them AP, which on the other hand, thanks to the cavity, when the AP was penetrated it would break into more fragments.
Or you know, don’t fix what’s not broken. Lol.
I never said that, it was another guy but not me, for the wherman story i went too fast for the explaination. What i meant was that if there’s a tank carrying ap and another tank carrying aphe at a same br, it’s logic that the aphe will deal more damg but less pen, and i took the example of the sherman sa50/arl44(carries only ap) and t34-85, where the aphe deals much less pen but does much more post pen
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Tbh its a bad example, a good example would be the Swedish Delat torn compared to the Sherman ICs/VCs
Nah arl44 vs t34-85 is really representantive
Arl has 100 more mm of pen, in exchange it gets less post pen
Btw most reason that the ap does 0 dmg is that it was a small caliber, else it did enough dmg compared the Pen it had. Also having more pen means you can shoot at place that aphe cant, and get a one shot with the ap, but not the aphe. (Im not saying ap and apcr are alright, just that we cant have the butter and the money of it, and for some ammo, it’s kinda a shortcut to Say they are crap)
Yes, the Sherman was someone else’s.
What’s the point of having 100mm more penetration when your bullet doesn’t kill in one shot many times, but a T-34 85 kills you in one shot.
Arl44 has a decent post pen dmg, if you want an example : the panther, on the t34 you need to shoot to the mantlet, you’ll kill the guys in the turret but the tank survives, with the arl, you Can Pen the front plate and kill everybody or get the ammo
My man. I voted Yes because I want to test how IRL APHE performed. I want to see if this change would not be detrimental to the “gunplay”. Is this a real reason, or I’m only frustrated and in pain in 20 days AFK during a vacation?
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I think you are focusing this topic too much on a situation, do you always shoot enemies from the front? Do you always face a panther? It’s something simple, the T-34 85 if it shoots a panther in the turret it kills the crew of the turret, or destroys the tank because the fragments also kill the driver, apart from that if it finds a panther or another vehicle from the side it kills it no matter what with the first shot. On the other hand, the ARL-44 with its 90mm bullet takes longer to load (strange because even in 3D you can see that it has a space to load a bullet quickly), when shooting a panther in the front of the hull it can bounce and even without piercing it can do little damage and not kill the driver, if they shoot at the turret you only kill the shooter and commander without breaking the barrel with which the shooter changes before you reload, and if you find the panther from the side, many times it will have few bullets and then when you shoot a panther in the front of the hull it can bounce and even without piercing it can do little damage and not kill the driver, if they shoot at the turret you only kill the shooter and commander without breaking the barrel with which the shooter changes before you reload, and if you find the panther from the side, many times it will have few bullets and then when you shoot a panther in the front of the hull it can bounce and even without piercing it can do little damage and not kill the driver, if you … Shooting it will only kill one crew member, two at most. Simply put, the advantage of APHE in general is much greater than having 100mm more penetration. The only thing that would balance the APHE without making changes would be that the AP guns would reload in 4 seconds at most.
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I skimmed over your conversation. Can I have a summary?
No, a arl 44 facing panther can Always pen the front plate, if it’s at side you Can also disable the turret and then finish him, so yes the lower post pen is escused for me with that kilometer of pen, for the panther it’s not gonna run far anyway, let’s focus back on aphe
I was saying that with ap tank, they paid the lack of post pen with more pen, i was taking to example arl44 with t34, saying that if the arl has less post pen than t34 (it still has decent post pen), it has in exchange much more pen that allows it to shoot at place aphe cant, and then one shot the tank where aphe couldnt, and i took the example of the panther
Easy, the APHE in any situation are much superior to the AP even if they have 100 mm more penetration.
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Yes, AP has no HE filler, so even with a buff they will “underperform” compared to APHE. Every shell in game need to have strength and weakness. More pen? Less post pen damage. But a compromise needs to be taken to be okay for everyone
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No, ap that Pen makes more dmg that aphe that doesnt pen, and the power of a shell isnt only the post pen dmg
It is a fact that the APHE is much better, you just have to play with both ammunition to realize it.