I’ve never played a 17 pounder armed tank either, but it’s not hard to just do math (and you can test this yourself in a test drive even if you haven’t actually played these tanks).
Pen isnt the only thing that matters, either we would all play apcr and do not speak about this rework, and anyway pot has enough to looses a little part of the pen
POT has better penetration against highly angled armor than PCOT. That is something I explicitly showed.
However, it also has noticeably worse ricochet chances. Even if it does have an increased chance to penetrate if you only look at the penetration values, it is also just far more likely to bounce off. Even the M103’s 120 mm APBC round has around a 20% chance to simply ricochet off the Panther glacis with its 300 mm of penetration. POT would be slightly over 40%.
I know that ap have worse chance on angled plates, and ? Like i said, i put in theory for a reason, it’s that i know that in the hangar it shows we can, but on the battle things get harder, but that’s the case for the 75, not the 90mm ap
And I also pointed out that even with the better penetration on angled plates, POT only does so up to 150 m reliably.
The hangar only shows you penetrate because you’re looking at the wrong angle. Simple as that.
“in theory” mate, “in theory”
These 2 words just explain that, i’ve writen this for a reason, and you’re saying i was right saying it
Theory is meaningless when things need to be applied in practice and fall apart.
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Theory aint meaningless, i would exmplain you but not here. Let’s focus back on aphe
This is about how AP and APHE compare, isn’t it?
Stuff like the 17 pounder has more penetration than, say, a US 76 mm, but that is effectively meaningless when that penetration can’t actually be used in a meaningful way to penetrate more targets than the US 76 mm can. Even with the advantage of 50 mm of penetration of the 17 pounder, it still cannot penetrate a Panther reliably at all.
Granted, at the same time that is partly why stuff like the Sherman Fireflies end up lower BR than the Sherman 76s. Only the Italian Sherman VC sits at 5.0 because it gets APDS which is capable of actually penetrating targets like a Panther upper glacis.
Yes but the conversation was going about theory, it’s other things that are not part of the topic.
Yep, but the point being that it can be the case for this very ap, but it isnt true for all. Like i said, in the 90mm ap case, it has enough pen to go through plates that cant be pened with aphe at its br. You have 76mm ap, but you also have bigger rounds, and these rounds slaps, and since there are lot of them, you cant just ignore them. We should look how many are these compared to all ap.
The ap problem, whatever you think it is, it wouldnt be solved with New aphe mechanic
Will those changes affect SAPHEI and SAPCBC shells as well?
To be fair, I rather have them remove RNG ricochets then rework APHE.
But APHE rework comes right after that.
Of course what RNG ricochet does is reduce the damage to nothing, compared to reality, where AP or APHE would deal little damage, since the round might breech the armor but ricochet off.
So in a way, it’s just one of many issues of the penetration mechanics and simplified game mechanics.
Not sure a driver getting hit with armor spalling in his face should turn yellow and continue to drive like nothing happened.
But it’s kinda the same with all guns. Direct hit from a MG round also doesn’t stop any crews from continuing their duties, which is quite far fetched.
he is not a Russian youtuber, but a Ukrainian from Kiev. by the way, he is a former CS cybersportsman or something like that, so he is trying to get into the heads of his audience that wt should become the same arcade shooter but with tanks.
Oki sry then
Any news about the final result ?
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Well, you know what I can tell you? I agree with you in what you say. I still think that the change in the APHE is a necessary thing, but:
Yes, it is almost more necessary to address the damage model of all other bullets first, especially those of the HESH.
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This is the only case in which that is a good thing
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What Gaijin wasn’t going to do is not care about nearly half of the player’s opinion.
It was 49-51, even after the funny sudden shift after a whole day of 70-30. You just can’t ditch 49% of the players. And this is to TEST it, not a final implementation.
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Yet ditching 51% is fine?
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