the Su-25 shoudl also be going up, the Dumbfire Tornados should not really be going down 10.7 minimum for both imo
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And how is that superior to a A-10A or Su-25?
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How is 3x 1000kg LGBs and a TV pod not superior to the SU-25?
There are over 10 CAS aircraft as good or better than Su-25 from 9.3 - 10.3.
And SPAA at 10.0 has 3 - 7km ranges against those CAS with <3km ranges.
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Targeting pod + GBUs is up to 10km range, though I typically sit at 7km with such a loadout since the only SPAA with more is Tunguska which is a rare sight as 10.7 Soviets doesn’t exist.
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Tornados without any form of precision strike shouldn’t be 11.0 or above, you can find planes with CCIP and bombs at a much lower BR.
The S2B has very few countermeasures, flies like a brick and has no loadout flexibility at all, it’s not even close to the capabilities of the other soon to be 10.7 CAS planes
Hell, the Jaguar is way better even with just 2 GBUs + britain doesn’t even have 10.7 tanks
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So at least a few of the insanely unfair AGM spammers finally move up? Nice, now do the same to planes with CCIP and we doing good
Still far better than the Q-5L without any form of countermeasures, 10.3 would be reasonable but its still superior to the SU-25. If I had the power I’d make the SU-25 10.3 and the S2B 10.3 as well.
Alright then let’s compare
Tornado IDS ASSTA1 vs Su-25T (both 11.3)
ASSTA1’s best armament is 4 guided bombs. One of only 2 options the other being dumb bombs. Su 25 has a wide array of bombs and rockets. One of those rockets being the s25s. And then su 25 also has the TV and laser guided missiles. Su 25 also Carriers better aams. Yes the tornado is faster but it is much easier to preform CAS and dog anti air with an aircraft that can maneuver. Tornado can not. It gets even worse when when compare the tornados with no guided ordinance to any of the su 25s.
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hence why i said it should be 10.7 minumum, it should ALWAYS be below the GBU tornados which at the urrent time means that current BR of 11.0, despite the tornados Woes, it is still a very fast aircraft with bombs, and capable of flying low very easily, a hard target for SPAA with dumb bombs, to to mention that a tornado is hard pressed to lose lots of speed, meaning you can keep up these CAS runs for a long time, just compare this to the F-111 which would be at the same BR, to be the same speed it has to carry roughly equivalent (Slightly Superior) load if taking 750s or a good load with 4x 3000, but the F-111, loses speed upon the throught of a turn, leading to it being easy food for SPAA, especcially with its 1200’c engines and poor acceleration,
yes you find CCIP at a much lower BR, but it is on subsonics or vehicles with much worse performance, still suprised the SAAB-105G hasnt gone up.
I thought you were speaking about Su-25K since that’s a hot button issue.
Su-25T and ASSTA are fine where they are.
As an A-10 pilot i disagree because AGM-65D at 10.3 is wild
However gaijin did also just break my lineup and i cant use the A-10 anymore due to the possible uptier to 11.7 when i use it
The benefits dont outweigh the negatives for me so im forced to find a new plane
This would easily be solved if gaijin just moved top tier BR to 12.0 or 12.3 instead…
Can’t argue with the Q-5L, didn’t catch that it’s moving up by a whole BR. At least we can agree that both the S2B and Su-25s should be 10.3
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Su 25s in general are better CAS. Guided ordinance or not.
Coldest disagreeing take on the Su-25.
I disagree, but at least it’s not the other takes.
Great, so you are gonna energy trap an aim9L with your good climb rate and amazing energy retention? tell me, do you get your conclusion for Q-5 from Defyn’s video instead of playing it yourself ? I look at your stats and you neither play the Q-5 nor Mig-19, yet believe they can fight A-6 and A-10 in a mode where the enemy plane is not even marked?
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German MiG-19.
you canuse your much greater speed than the same BR 9L carriers to stay out of their range, spotting aircraft in GRB is not hard if you are in an aircraft,
Besides you have a dead pylon where you can take rockets, which if used correctly can be used as flares
A-6s will rarely be taking 9Ls, GBUs take the same Pylons, A-10s are the only ones that can, but they are extremely easy to avoid
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You just want the Su-25 to stay at 10.0 for the 10.0 cookie cutter lineup, don’t you? /jk
I honestly don’t see a good reason for the Su-25 to stay at 10.0. Yeah, it has no guided bombs and very limited guided missiles, but the rockets are ridiculously powerful and the plane has great survivability
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Also, this may just be me, but the Su-25s are by far the CAS that kills me the most, at 10.0+
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I just like seeing them often for easy frag aircraft daily tasks, and 10.3 or higher would mean Soviets bring less CAS to frag so I’d have to go to lower BRs.
Fair point