So, you let AMX, A-10, A-6E these planes fighting with Pantisr-s1?
AND YOU LOWER THE BR OF SU-22?
Ignore the Su-25 and Su-25t? Really?
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I would love to see the EJ kai moved down to 11.0 if the other PD phantoms are deemed sutable for 10.7, considering it’s .3 br higher than usually and has ZERO guided ordinance
The SU-25K has 8x 58kg rockets with CCIP, capable of overpressuring anything by just splashing next to it and the ability to be accurate enough to make it happen from kilometers away (more effectively than any MCLOS missiles). It also has 128 flares, a very powerful and accurate gun, 2 all-aspect missiles on dedicated hardpoints, and the damage model of a KA-52 while being just-barely subsonic.
The Buccaneer has no gun, is more sluggish, AFAIK it cannot use countermeasures without losing out on weapon hardpoints (the ones that can carry air-to-air missiles, awful ones at that), it can carry up to 4 bullpups assuming you want no flares or air-to-air missiles, otherwise it’s 2, otherwise it’s bombs.
You’re purposely disregarding everything that makes the frogfoot great while pretending that dumb bombs are the main viable ordinance at a BR where getting within 2km of the battlefield without being taken out by SPAA is a luxury. Either you’re trolling or you’re actually the kind of player that posts those side-by-side stat cards comparisons on reddit which always fail to account for actual gameplay instead of just specs-based theory. Either way, nobody should listen to you.
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I know this is just the first “set” of BR changes, but there are some very obvious ones that need to be done for the lower tiers:
- Lowering the BRs of P-47’s in Air
- Raising the BR of the Wyvern in Ground (and Air)
- Lowering the BRs of the B-29 (to ~6.3) and Tu-4’s (to ~6.7-7.0), adjusting the damage they do to bases as needed
- Lowering the BRs of all bombers armed with 12.7mms or less in Air
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Do you even play these jets…
Su25K loadout:
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Su25BM:
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Right so do tell me where the Su25K only has dumbfire rockets or are you blatantly being ignorant here…
one is 10.0 and the other is 11.0, Su25K is 11.0 material end of dicussion, stop smoking copium
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you’d need hella luck to get any more than 1-2 kills, you turn around once in the bucc and either your wings are gone without warning or you turn successfully and are so slow that aircraft have time spawn in before your next run, SPAA shoots you down, or anything else that interuppts CAS runs, and with the Bucc having no internal countermeasures its just Type 93 ozelot or any other missile SPAA food,
Yep, my normal tactic is 16k of bombs. Ideally drag bombs. 300ft. Max speed. Carpet bomb a spot and hope to get lucky. At least I can survive the SPAA doing that
the drag bombs?, i thought it would make more sens to get in quick, slam bomb to forehead, and pull out of dive to survive the blast, and then get ready for SPAA
According to your logic, should ja37c go to 10.3? Should tornado adv go to 10.3? Should j7d/j7e/j8b go to 10.3?
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@MommyDommyEnjyr @柴郡猫 @DaSpood
Debunking your posts’ nonsense.
Better or identical loadouts to Su-25K at 10.3 and below. All with CCIP, all with over-pressure bombs/rockets. Half minimum with superior airframes.
All-aspect missiles can’t frag tanks. Su-25K and A-10 do not have as good damage models as Russians claim.
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F-111A Better loadouts:
F-105D: Similar loadout on a better airframe.
F-4C: Similar loadout on a better airframe.
Su-22: Better loadout on a better airframe. Italy and Germany have this aircraft.
Su-7BKL: Slightly worse loadout at 9.3.
Bucc S2: Identical loadout at 9.3.
Super Etendard: Identical lethality.
Mirage 5F: Identical loadout on a better airframe:
Ayit: Identical lethality as Su-25K with identical optics.
Su-25 isn’t as good as Sukhoi claims. NATO players aren’t trolling you guys.
The fact you claim no one should listen to anyone except Russia is funny…
LOL! Good job exposing yourselves as anti-NATO.
Su-25K does not have a targeting pod.
Sukhoi lied to you guys.
@Master_Teaz
Su-25 doesn’t have guided ordnance that’s better than dumb bombs as it doesn’t have an optics pod.
A gun to frag light tanks means you’re 500 meters above tanks which means you’re dead to any SPAA. Guns are useless at 10.0, ask A-10s how they know.
Maneuverability? This isn’t air RB.
Su-25 and A-10s are easy to frag in War Thunder, their damage model isn’t anywhere as strong as you portray them.
Kh-29L is one kill as the Su-25 has to have nose on the entire time until it hits.
@Morvran
Sounds like they’re using the wrong loadout.
Bullpups and laser-guided munitions without a targeting pod is worse than dumb bombs.
Being one of the only people defending NATO aircraft is weird.
So World war mode is coming this summer for the D-day event?
did u guys really think those subsonic striker confrontation with 95Ya6,9M331 and VT-1 is fair?seriously if u guys want call this “carefully monitoring changes in the performance of various vehicles”, then u guys are lying and i m sure u know ur lying.if u want to make this game more fair then these subsonic strikers shouldnt go br 10.7 even 11.0(Except the harrier gr7 and av8b+),they almost have no chance when they face pantsir,2s6,ito 90m or something like that.if u want to tell the players its the “historical”,then where is the antiradiation missile? dont say anything like “antiradiation missile cant lock on the spaa in game like pantsir because their Signal characteristics are not so big” you know thats a lie
Depends on the map, but not a BR I play much
Not only do I laugh at the A10’s going up in BR with the SU25’s being left alone I expected it. Thank you for finally having the balls to show us your true colors and intentions. I’ll be sure to repay it back to you I promise. 6
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Jesus christ…
So the gist I’m getting from these changes are “we’ve overreacted to people’s complaints and are now going to teach you all a lesson. quit complaining and have what you want for a bit, but ratcheted up to the max.”
Seriously, who thought the MiG-23 at 10.3 was a good idea? Sure its got little CAS ability but GRB isn’t a Ground only mode… its combined arms. It can take out attackers and helicopters. Did no one realise that?
The only Buccaneer changing is the S.2B
which has AIM 9L missiles at 10.3, so it would even deserve to go up in AirRB. Be lucky it didn’t
Wow what a load of dribble.
still ignoring the fact the ONLY difference between the 10.0 Su25k and 11.0 Su25BM is 3 weapons.
The S-25L/Kh-29TE/R73
If you think just having these consistutes a 1.0 BR difference for GRB then just stop, you look like you need help
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AMX at 11.0 while the A-6E TRAM is 10.7
What are you smoking Gaijin?
Can i remember you that italy do not have a 11.0 lineup in ground combat mode?
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Buc S2B to 9.3 in GRB then and not 10.7
are you kidding me? Q5L only two GB250 and A7E can shot 6 * 65b .DO developers think that subsonic attack fighter such as su25sm3 and su39 are very suitable for their FIGHT RB’s rank.MEANINGLESS UPADATE
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