Yes there is.
it is, at least currently, intended that way and have been described in both main topic and replies as being the intention.
Which i don’t like at all.
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Except that isn’t the issue now is it?
The issue is when you have two at the top and they don’t activate for the other.
That is very much the issue.
I don’t know if you are misreading something somewhere.
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Adding to this, they never reviewed/rebalanced the modification RP for vehicles when they reorganized/reshuffled the tech trees.
So we still have things like 13K RP required for a tier 4 modification on a 6.0 He 162, which is more than many tier 4 mods on a Rank 6/7 jet.
The lack of attention to detail and overall incompetence when it comes to things like this is remarkable.
While I appreciate the more candid approach to commentary and communication from developers over the past year, the areas these teams appear to be devoting their time and attention is woefully misguided given the progressive staleness and lack of creativity of their game modes.
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I’m still trying to understand the logic behind modification cost.
This might have changed a little bit since but this is what it was.
For the Leopard 2A7V
Thermals tier lll: 1x tier l mod 22k RP + 2k tier ll mod 30k RP + thermals 16k RP = 68k RP
Laser rangefinder tier IV: 68k RP + 2x tier lll mod 32k RP + LRF 17k RP = 117k RP
Top shell tier IV: 117k RP + shell 17k RP = 134k RP total
For the M1A2 SEP
Laser rangefinder tier lll: 1x tier l mod = 16k RP + 2x tier ll mod - 18k RP + LRF 20k RP = 54k RP
Thermals tier IV: 54k RP + tier lll mod 20k RP + thermals 15k RP = 89k RP
Top shell tier IV: 89k RP + shell 15k RP = 104k RP total
For the T-90M
Laser rangefinder tier ll: 1x tier l mod 15k RP + LRF 12k RP = 27k RP
Thermals tier ll 27k RP + thermals 12k RP = 39k RP
Top shell tier IV: 39k RP + 1x tier ll mod 12k RP + 3x tier lll mod 45k RP = 81k RP total
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Mod cost is a set RP amount per modification tier, and it is split equally between all mods in a tier.
It’s not really equal when one top tier vehicle can unlock thermals in 20k and the next requires 70k RP.
Increasing and adjusting RP is one thing but why is a laser rangefinder tier IV for a Leopard 2A7 but tier ll for Russia? Those are part of the main modules you need to be competitive.
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We all know the reason:
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I just checked, and RP costs for everything aren’t consistent with other nations for whatever reason. Neither are modification tiers.
I don’t understand why Gaijin doesn’t copy+paste the exact same RP costs per tier, and the locations of all mods.
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Even parts and FPE aren’t equal.
M1A2 V2: 4800 + 5400 for parts and FPE = 10.200 RP
M1A2 Sep: 4800 + 4200 for both things = 10.000 RP
Leopard 2A7V: 6600 + 4500 = 11.100 RP
Leopard 2 PSO: 6300 + 3600 = 9.900 RP
T-90M: 4500 + 3600 = 8.100 RP
T-80BVM: 4500 + 3600 = 8.100 RP
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Except it’s not. I neither know nor care what Gaijin employees think about the mechanic, I don’t read other people’s minds. All I know is how it started, and what effect we’re getting now.
When the Steam downvotes has hit the fan, the community clearly said the grind is very lengthy for everyone, joking about passing their grind to the grand children, and this particular change was a reaction to this sentiment. Gaijin said they can’t speed up the grind for the fresh players because fast progressing can ruin their experience, and that’s a fair point, so this mechanic was supposed to circumvent this problem by introducing possession of a top tier vehicle as a prerequisite for the bonus. Gaijin promised to work very hard on this particular change, it took more than a year to implement, so naturally, the expectations are rather high. Now it fails to address the original point, and leads to ridiculous cases. I am sorry, but as non-native speaker I can’t find a word that describes the situation better than “fiasco”.
Fundamentally, the mainers gonna main until they get bored, and no RP rewards alone can sway them towards researching new tech trees. The lengthy grind doesn’t help, sure, but truth be told, three daily battles are not going to solve the fact these people simply aren’t interested enough. The community in general is motivated, though, so why not speak to these people instead of showing them the middle finger via the blocker and pissing them off? I don’t see any reason why such a bonus shouldn’t be targeting the enthusiasts as well. There are people who care about the variety already, and are were doing that for years, so why insult us? This “don’t buy the vehicle to cheese the blocker and keep the bonus” sounds pathetic, it doesn’t encourage anything other than stopping playing the game where people actually want to play. What a self-contradictory mess.
And I am not suggesting to come up with something groundbraking, only to remove the blocker. Think about it a tad harder. If we remove the disqualification for getting the research buff from another nation, a single nation main’s situation wouldn’t change at all, because they only have one nation, this won’t get the bonus for their main country. But if they decide to invest their time into another one, now they will have a additional stimulus: they would receive a bonus for their favorite nation once they complete the other one, because that other nation will provide the bonus too. Now that F-4S guy will consider getting 23ML or what have you and get the Soviet top tier too, even if their end goal is merely speeding up their future American research or getting some other branch faster. That’s more sales and playtime for Gaijin, isn’t it? You bait them with a bonus for their beloved country and switch to familiarizing them with other countries. They will have to try another tree, with slightly different gameplay, so eventually they might stop being single nation mains and embrace the variety.
But if you keep the blocker, that wouldn’t work. There’s no reason to leave the already topped-out nation for a single nation main because no amount of other nation research will ever be relevant if you keep the bonus as implemented with the blocker.
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To be honest, i havent play tested the bonuses yet and i wont even bother doing so because this “FeAtUre” that was in developement for 1+ years(?) is the biggest insult to any veteran/enjoyer that waited for a good eceonomy change to counter the 2k rp per mach ground rb battles and much more.
At least make it so each TOP Vehicle adds an rp boost to a stackable pernament rp boost so the more vehicles you have the more rp you get or read any valid and liked/upvoted post talking about how trash this devblog is and implement its suggestions.
Since this is a testing phase, there is still hope ig.
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Watch it, they will increase the RP by 50%(100%>150%) and push it out. There is 3 days left and they haven’t been any response for the devs/mods.
It’s better than nothing, but that’s not saying much. Anything is better than nothing.
It doesn’t even help nations you already have top end vehicles for. So if Gaijin decide to add new sub-trees, or just more vehicles in general, it’s useless.
Really disappointed with this.
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I also have the feeling that either
Option 1: They change nothing and release
Option 2: They “fix” the obvious issues like bonus on Plane in GRB and Nation with top tier gets nothing but nothing else and sell it as improvement and they “heard us”
Option 3: They say they will investigate the values and then we will not hear about it for another year and later then we get excaktly that, a tiny tiny higher bonus… instead of any good system proposed here in the forum.
I can also see reactions…
Option 1: no streamer, no reddit no nothing has enough energy left to fight
Option 2: New shitstorm incoming and makes gaijin again to revaluade and we will not hear about it for a year… lol…
either way i simply dont have trust, that gaijin is even interessted in ideas that can make the game better and get more people to play and ultimately even makes more money for them due to higher playercount and player willingness to buy stuff and dont protest.
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Its simply not enought, we, the community, should not accept “its better then nothing”.
We want a better, more enjoyable and more populated game! We want to get more players! We want to Buy new shiny toys in game! We want to have a great Game and a game Dev! We should show them that we don´t accept this crap! We want the gaijin leaders to understand that we, the community dont accept bullshit and we are here to fight the devil to get a great, awesome and even more popular game!
No one here is to harm them, they only harm themself with crap like this on the long run!
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This is the what I think it will happen. You know how they close every br “”“suggestion”“” topic with a message saying that the feedback was passed to the devs and then they change it ignoring the feedback almost every time? We just had this with the f4c and the f8u. We had in the past with the cl13, that I still believe that those 4 players were the reason why it went up.
I have been testing this out now for 2 and a half days and I like the system… Only thing I would like to have with the system is having on the stat cards of each vehicle that can be used for research bonuses, and I also think that Event vehicles should be able to give research bonuses… I do understand why Premium vehicles cannot so no worries on that front. Event vehicles are grinded for, most of the time anyways and it would be very nice if they could be used for this :)
Another thing I would like to see is the amount we earn in the battle log after the match, it would help us players to see what we do towards the other nations.
Other than that, I think the way the bonuses show up in a tech tree is easy to understand and useful, if only we could use event vehicles :)
Now what about the idea of having cumulative bonus per spaded vehicles?
The more vehicles you spade, the higher bonus you get, like a snowball.
Lets say it is 0.1% per vehicle.
With ten spaded vehicles it will be 1%, with a hundred it will be 10%, hitting 100% when thousand vehicles are spaded.
Make it available for 5 battles a day if you are a cheap snail, or 20 if you want to call it ‘a bonus’.
Everyone will be playing low tiers of all tech trees to get the bonus as high and as fast as possible.
It would encourage revisiting vehicles when new module is added, like extinguishers for planes.
Event, squadron and premium vehicles can be added to the equation, cause, why not?
Easy to implement and calculate.
It will boost players engagement.
Can be additionally tied to premium time and vehicles to further boost the sales.
It would be a win for Gaijin, cause grind to have such bonus would be longer, and it would look much better in the eyes of its customers.
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All in for this solution. In fact I proposed it myself some posts ago. And of course, this booster should apply not only for vehicle research but also for modification research, which I deem more important not only for the way I play the game but also to promote people play other vehicles.
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