Yep. It’s merely an illusion of democracy. Like voting for president in some countries.
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What I’ve read is just you coping, the same way you did when economy change voting came around ( where you did the misinformating with ur crap math and stuff but let’s not about that okay?).
Because you’re not winning with your own propaganda and opinion you have to put up a scene. Let people decide what they want to, up to them how they interpret things.
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I have literally said, M U L T I P L E times, that I am fine with the “no” option winning if at least those were well informed votes, so don’t come at me with that.
If people vote “no”, at least make sure they know what they are voting “no” for, and same goes for the “yes” option. That’s all I said; that people should know what they are voting for.
Unlike you and the “VOTE NO” spammers who are always hostile and toxic towards those who disagree with them for some reason, I NEVER told anyone WHAT to vote. I never said anyone to vote “yes”. I ONLY asked to read and understand the dev blog before voting to actually have a valid opinion.
Show me that “propaganda” of mine where I am presumably trying to “win” beyond my comments saying that people should read before voting. And no, saying “I personally like the idea” is not propaganda.
As shocking as it may be to you, those who disagree with you are also entitled to their own opinions, not just you and those who agree with you.
This is the only propaganda (filled with misinformation at that) that there’s been over here, and it’s not mine: so it’s kinda ironic that you are accusing me of “propaganda” when it’s the other side the ones who are doing it.
And it’s also been 2 years since the victory/defeat reward redistribution, I think it’s about time you move on and stop with the lies regarding what it was and what happened. I am tired of this still being brought up to this day, specially with the false implications it always comes up with.
I also gotta love how you people are always so aggressive, toxic and so hostile towards those who disagree with you.
Instead of living and letting live, you go on rants, attacks and insults against those who disagree with you and you accuse them (me in this case) of doing the very thing YOU are doing, doing nothing but projecting to victimize yourselves and then accusing others of doing this. Absolute lack of self-awareness, I am starting to get fed up with this.
Also how can you unironically say this? People need to be aware of what they are voting for for their vote to have any real value. How can you accuse me of “propaganda” for asking people to read… and then come up with this, which is basically saying that you are fine with people having their vote conditioned by misconceptions and misinformation?
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Because that was all you wanted, right? To troll? How nice.
That’s what you did when you stormed in accusing me of “coping”, “trying to manipulate others”, “spreading misinformation”, “putting up scenes”, “doing propaganda” and “playing the victim”. And I have to put up with that, be a good girl and shut it? Again, projection and hipocrisy.
All I did, ALL I DID, was to ask people to r e a d before voting. To know what they were voting for, regardless of what they would end up voting for. That’s all I did… and it was you the one who came up with your hostility, constantly projecting and picturing me like some evil boogeyman for asking people to * checks notes * actually read what they are voting for before voting, and then accusing me of doing what the other side is doing precisely, and bringing up something that happened over 2 years ago with lies about it to “reinforce” your “point”.
And now, after you started all of this for no reason whatsoever, you say “enough of that noise”…? Maybe don’t start flame wars to then say “enough” when you get replied to on the first place.
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What i dont understand is why 85% of playerbase want the nonsense crew healing. Like the loaders blown off arm magically regrows when he is wounded and red after 2 minutes of not taking damage? All this will do is just promote camping, like you hit someone, their crew only wounded, they back away,start camping,heal it,then go out,snipe and repeat.
Cause we want realistic healing that’s been absent for years.
A red soldier isn’t missing limbs, they’re just normally injured.
The latter part of your post is complaining about realistic tank play… lol
Tank matches should be slower than they are.
To add insult to injury, this article is focused on lightly armored IFVs and APCs - which just so happen to be a decent portion of Russia’s OP vehicles at high or top tier (2S38, BMP-2M, Obj 906, arguably Pantsir lol). But, when they try and mention the vehicles they are going to nerf to fix this IFV and APC problem, they mention the MBTs of the M1 and Leo 2. They aren’t even trying to hide their Russian Bias anymore.
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You have to accept it regardless. Just because you see a handful of people on a singular social media platform saying don’t vote for it because of X, you still have no proof that it actually translated into votes against it. You’re simply upset that the vote for that mechanic is any shade of “no”. How could you ever possibly tell and upvote or downvote on Reddit translated into a vote for or against?
You haven’t shown any proof besides a handful of “look don’t vote for this” posts on one social media platform and still, there’s no way to know for certain it worked or didn’t. You’re just assuming it purely because it’s not going in your favor.
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I have literally said, M U L T I P L E times, that I am fine with the “no” option winning if at least those were well informed votes, so don’t come at me with that.
To be fair, this is a very slippery slope to go down, because no matter what you can claim that because ‘people didnt read it’, that it is invalid.
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Yes.
This exactly. I could quite literally claim the same thing, except from the other side. Its a very poor argument to make.
I will say it for the millionth time; if “no” wins because the majority actually opposes what’s suggested, I will be happy. What frustrates me is to know that many people aren’t voting “no” for what’s being suggested; they are voting “no” for something that they made up in their minds and isn’t the matter at hand.
I want the majority to win, but I also want the majority to actually know what they are voting for.
No. I monitored the situation for hours over several posts and comment sections; many people voting “no” stated that they believed that “auto canons stunning heavy tanks for hitting the armor” would be bad, or that “shells falling near the tank shocking the crew was bad”, etc, when that’s not even close to what Gaijin suggested… and I also saw multiple users stating that, while they voted “no” because they disliked what they THOUGHT the suggested mechanic was, they regretted voting “no” once they actually bothered to read the dev blog because they realised the actual suggestion had nothing to do with their misinformed previous idea.
So stop trying to pretend and push that “I am salty because my side is losing” because IT. IS. NOT. TRUE. It’s not about that.
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If you can never heal up better than “yellow”, same as you can’t really field-repair better than yellow for any other part, I’m okay with it. It’s not any more or less realistic than “fixing” a tank power pack in combat.
(Not saying that’s how they’ll do it, that’s just an assumption.)
Aight lemme get my politician hat on real quick-
Clearly the votes for the mechanic are invalid because people didnt read and arent informed about how bad it i-
Its really easy to twist it any way you want lmao
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And I’ll say it million times back, how…HOW could you ever possibly know who was informed or not when they made their vote? Reddit is not the main voice of this community but you seem to want to think it’s any shade of the majority.
I’m not trying to be mean here, but we (myself and I feel comfortable saying many others who are reading this) don’t care if you are happy or unhappy with how it’s going. It looks like it’s going to be a no. You can NotMyPresident this all you’d like, complain disinformation as much as you want.
As it stands, close to 59% say it’s a no go. And I personally don’t buy there’s 30% somewhere wishing they had done otherwise. I just don’t. Maybe next round of suggestions this can come up again but you can’t just invalidate this because of an idea you can’t, without a doubt, prove otherwise.
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And just to be clear for the record, I’d be against it then. In my eyes, it’s a bad idea/mechanic top to bottom.
Reddit is not the main voice of this community but you seem to want to think it’s any shade of the majority.
Yep, exactly this. Basing the majority off the vocal minority, always a good idea. /s
In all seriousness, however, claiming the results of a poll are invalid because people are not informed is rather idiotic. Its not a good precedent to set, and is quite often used by the minority to try and overrule what the majority wants.
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I’m not going to say it’s an idiotic idea or approach. Mainly because I don’t think it is but I also don’t want to get muted again.
But I do think it’s a bad faith tactic. I could make the same point for Option 1 by saying “Hey, I don’t think people voted for this with all the information. People saw a Gaijin say something about adding or reworking modules and thought this will go to every vehicle when Gaijin only name dropped the M1 and Leopard series. They’re voting in favour of a nerf to those tanks. Therefore, this poll is invalid because people knee jerk voted”.
It doesn’t work that way.
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No. I just use Reddit as a sample; “if this many people on Reddit didn’t read it, God knows how many more casual people didn’t read it either…”
It’s also funny how people are aware that Reddit isn’t any shade of the majority of the community, let alone playerbase, but then people proceed to hold me accountable and accuse me of “manipulating the entire War Thunder playerbase” when an option wins a voting by an overwhelming majority (80-20) just because I happened to make one post agreeing with the option that turned out to win. So… what is it going to be? Reddit is a minority, or you can manipulate the entire playerbase with one post on Reddit?
I think Gaijin is aware of what happened and is going to repeat this section. Besides, 60-40 isn’t even an overwhelming majority vs minority like the other 85-15 options.
In the past, when a voting has been so close, Gaijin has made more posts putting emphasis on explaining those options and making a new vote to see if the results are more decisive.
I think the best would be for them to gather the feedback regarding criticism of the mechanic, modifying the suggestion into a V.2 (removing visual and audio clutter, etc), and making the vote again. And, once there’s an actual majority decisive win, go with it. But 60-40, when a good portion of that 60 wasn’t likely well informed or informed at all and with the first iteration of the suggestion, doesn’t seem decisive enough.
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Spanish is applying a sampling generalization fallacy.
They’re generalizing based on a limited amount of information.