an M1A1 with a dozer blade it has been in game for a while now
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I see a major issue with how some nations get the exact same vehicle at the same BR yet they are going to be placed at different ranks. This will give one nation a better research efficiency for playing the same vehicle. On top of that the same vehicle can be used in events or will give one nation a better point modifier for event points. Example of this would be like with Italy, the M18 Hellcat and the Sherman Vc in the Italian tree are both going to rank IV and the M24 Chaffee is rank III. The identical tanks in the American and British tech trees are all rank III and IV respectably and share identical battle ratings . There are more just like this in other trees. This gives a blatant advantage when it come to specific game mechanics.
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Complete disregard for making a lineup however… what happened to:
we could carefully look into the position and ranks of all vehicles, and streamline them where possible.
when making
Now you need to grind out the entire left side as well, adding the ZTZ63 + M48 + M41D + M60A3 + CM11 to the grind that could previously be ignored whilst not foldering a significant amount of vehicles and still having 2x ZTZ96s and 2x ZTZ99s.
Whilst you might save a bit of RP by foldering a ZTZ88 and 1 of the 3 99s, it no longer leads to a viable lineup with each of the 11.7 vehicles being in a different tree.
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A few things I don’t like:
-M4A2 moving down to Rank II
-M18 moving to the Light Tank line. There was never any valid reason to change it from a TD to a LT anyway.
-M19 and M42 haven’t been foldered for USA or Japan
-Ystervark/Crusader folder - Yster/Bosvark folder seems to make more sense
-G6/Eland should be swapped around in their folder.
-Warrior/ZT3 with the Striker after? Warrior/Striker with ZT3 after would make more sense.
-Sherman Vc should’ve been foldered with the Tipo IC
Overall, whilst they’re hardly flawless, I think the folder changes are brilliant; I expected something very lackluster but I’ve been happily proven wrong; A lot of vehicles have been moved to their proper lines, incredibly niche vehicles like the S-Tanks are no longer necessary, Israel’s Magach Mountain has been cut down to manageable size and much more. There is an elephant in the room though - Where are the Naval folders?
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Agreed. It seems like they didn’t consider lineups at all in some cases.
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So are we expecting the changes with this upcoming update or sooner?
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Yes, all they needed to do was give the M18 scouting like other light tank destroyers rather than entirely changing it’s classification.
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Very good, all very nice, but when to correct the damage model of all types of projectiles? Because it seems to me that that would be extremely more interesting than having the T-44 100 moved from rank IV to rank V.
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Three new floatplanes in the graphics is interesting: Fairey III, O2U, GL.832… want to tell us a little more about those?
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It is very good to see Gaijin made efforts on reducing the redundant RP.
However there are lack of LOGIC CONNECTIONs in some group.
Especially in ground forces,
USA: M4/T26&T25 maybe because they are all experimental vehicles?
Germany: Stur Emil shall be grouped with Dicker Max, Marder 1A1 grouped with BMP1 instead of Marder1A3? DF105 shall be grouped with SK105 etc. almost all tier 5-7 vehicle groups in this line is confusing in logics. M48 should be grouped with the M48G
USSR: Same problems in the light tank line. Group amphibious tank and IFVs same to be confusing. Only BMP3 and obj.685 use the same chassis and they r not in the same group. Besides, the SU85, SU152, ISU122 group is also confusing.
UK: Conway should be grouped with FV4005 and the olifant & Rooikat group same to be confusing.
CN: PTL02 finally in tier VI! CM25 should be grouped with M113, move WZ1001 back to ZTZ99A
Italy: No big problems, but maybe move AUBL to tier V and group with T13 is better, there are only 4 tier V vehicles.
France: Maybe move AMX13 HOT to the tank destroyer line is better and group SK105 and AMX 10RC is confusing, considering the upcoming AMX 13 105 in one day.
Sweden: Grouping Strv 81 and 101➡Strv103A➡Strv103C➡Strv104/105 may be better in logic
Israel: So far so good.
Besides, it seems that the same vehicles have different tiers in different nations like the AML90 is tier V in FR but T4 in UK and ISR. The M36B is T4 in JP and ITA but T3 in US
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They answered that.
Moving the F-84F’s to Rank VI is a bad idea. They’ll be useless without their air spawn. Please keep them at Rank V, or if you do rank VI, keep the air spawn.
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And what is the deal with increasing ranks of vehicles, how does that affect the RP and SL requirements?
Rank VI is generally 220k to 270k RP, rank VII is 340k to 400k RP.
They’re hidden vehicles that have been there since floatplanes were added to ships. Basically only devs have access to them so they can show them off and test them.
I know what they are, there’s lots of hidden vehicles. These three just showed up on today’s graphic, while all the others didn’t (and two of them aren’t currently shipboard planes). Just wondering why.
The French one is currently on the wiki shipboard aircraft list, the other two are not: Shipboard reconnaissance aircraft - War Thunder Wiki. All the rest on that list (that weren’t legacy floatplanes) are not on today’s graphics, just the French one and the new US and British ones.
This is actually a very decent change. And thanks for actually remembering Britain exists. Considering this exactly what im grinding out currently. this is literally a 50% RP reduction for me. This turns the next few tanks from being a 6 month grind into something more reasonable. So… I think its time to research something else, prehaps finish of the SPAA line and wait to get more challys until this RP drop comes in then.
This needs some tweaks, folders at the very bottom (top tier stuff) drops off the bottom of the screen.
Would be good to get that list, I know exactly what vehicles need to go up but that I know probably won’t
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Про премы честно не очень,теперь турмс,меркава и т.д будут стоить по 5 к?Сделайте тогда сейчас скидки,люди ждали и копили деньги на день рождение вар тандер чтобы задонатить!И сейчас вы выкатываете такое что будет поднимание цен.А сейчас за 3к думаю мало кто купит танк.
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I really don’t understand why Gaijin punishes you for reaching the end of a tech tree.
Just wasted 20ish minutes for checking how much RP is needed for spading vehicles. And its shocking, only basing on BVM tree.
IS-2 (52.9K RP)
IS-2 1944 (71.3K RP) (+35%)
IS-3 (85.1K RP) (+19%)
IS-4M (130.9K RP) (+54%)
T-10M (145.8K RP) (+11%)
OBJ-435 (188.3K RP) (+29%)
T-64A (194.9K RP) (+4%)
T-64B (242.4K RP) (+24%)
T-80B (243.4K RP) (+0.4%)
T-80U (280K RP) (+15%)
T-80BVM (487K RP) (+74%) !!!
This really needs to be changed. Rest of vehicles is fine, but top BVM difference its insane.
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While overall theres a massive amount of positive theres some things I disagree about.
I disagree with the Striker moving a rank and going to the end of the British TD tree.
My personal experience has been the Swingfire is better at going hull down and controlling portions of the map so I don’t think the Striker should leapfrog past the Warrior and ZT3 to be the last in the line.
The M4A2 is 4.0, a 4.0 should not be moved down to rank II solely for the sake of being foldered, it should remain as a rank III.
Likewise I don’t believe the Ontos should be shifted to rank IV as I don’t think 6.7s should go down, rather just move it over before the T95.
Same for the Waffentrager, taking a 5.7 to rank III to folder it with the Nashorn doesn’t seem the way to go.
The Rooikat and Olifant being foldered together twice doesn’t make sense, folder the Rooikats and Olifant’s with themselves, foldering the Rooikat mk1 with the Olifant mk1 and the MTTD with the Olifant mk2 is weird.
The Crusader AA Mk II should be before the Ystervark in the folder if those must go together, not the other way around.
While foldering is good I’m not sure about some of the Swedish things, T-34/Pz.IV and PT-76/Comet don’t feel like things that should be foldered together
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What will happen to end of the line modifications RP cost? Those vehicles moved to end of a certain line will get them?
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