Flakpanzer T-34(r)

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I would like to suggest this unique Field Mod of a Bergepanzer T-34(r) and a Flakvierling 38 constructed with a Unique gunshield made from plates of scavanged Halftracks.

History:
The german army never could fully close their lines with enove Tanks and other vehicles of pretty much all types, as such lots of captured equipment was often reused as is and/or modified to be better or be for a new roll.

The German army didnt have Bergepanzer (Recovery Tanks) as is, instead they relied more on Halftracks, going from Sd.Kfz.6 to 9, however these werent as powerfull as tanks, as such multiple were needed (especially for the later heavyer tanks) as well as sometimes the recovery was undertaken in the fighting field, where the Halftracks didnt offer any protection, as such over the years, there were some (rather low) amount of different Bergepanzer build, mostly Pz.III Hulls, but some Pz.I, IV, V and VI. However also many damaged T-34s such as this one were used in the roll, with the turret taken off, it had a relatively powerfull engine and armor protection as such was ideal for the job.

That this was originally a Bergepanzer is visible, duo to the spare material on the hull, as well as additional contact points and the new Base walls fixed to the roof. (Visible on the pictures.)

However these Bergepanzer were usually rather unarmed, with 1 or 2 Mg 34/42, with also some exceptions, such as this Flakvierling, or on other vehicles Mg 151 or Mg 151 Drillings or simply a normal 2 cm Flak, with the Bergepanther Prototyp having a front mounted hand aimed 2 cm Flak on a pedestrial mount.

Overall this armed conversion was made with the Plates of Halftracks (so up to 14,5mm armor) some time around May/June-August 1944. By the Schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 653

Overall bearing a similar construction to the Wirbelwind, however more flat and with an open back.

Pictures:(Click to show)

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The Vehicle:
Armor:
Hull: As normal T-34 Model 1941
all round 45mm from 45°to60° angle
Turret, different plates possible in the range of 8-14,5mm at around frontally 30° sides flat, back open.

Speed: 49 / 7 Km/h
Weight: Something around 25-26 Ton

Armarment:
2 cm Flakvierling 38 L/65
Unknown ammo amount.
Elevation of -10° to + 100° 360° Traverse

Ammo Types: ApI-T, Aphe-T, APCR-T, He-I, HeI-T and HeI-T (m) (And self destruct)

More Details about the ammo:(Click to show)

AP:


Pzgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (Ph.) (ApI-T) 0,148kg 830m/s 40mm/10m

Note: Used against ground targets. Soft and armored. 3g White Phosphor Core.
Were fully replaced by the empty ones and later .Zerl in the Desert and other hot places, as the Phostphor had a nasty tendicy to self ignite in hot weather.
The Ph. marked ones were standart with the filler, however they also existed with an O. which indicated they didnt have a filler and were only 143g (and 835-840m/s).
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Pzgr. L'Spur zerl. (Aphe-T Sd) 0,148 kg 830m/s 2,4g Pent 37mm/10m

NOTE: Against ground and air tragets. Soft and armored.
It does NOT have a fuze, the filler is for self destruction, in game it would also explode upon impact when shattering, like the japanese 30mm Aphe.
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Pzgr. 40 L`Spur. o.Zerl. (HVAP-T) 0,100kg 1050m/s 62g core 12x45mm 50mm/10m

Note: Only used against heavy armored targets, where the standart Ap ammo does not penetrate.
(There were 3-4 generations, with ever increasing length and slightly weight, to improve stability.)
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Pzsprgr. L'Spur o.Zerl. (Aphe-T) 0,148 kg 830m/s 3,6g Pent 35mm/10m

Note: Mainly (?) used by the Navy and only against ground targets.
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Pzsprgr. L'Spur m.Zerl. (Aphe-T Sd) 0,121 kg 900m/s 3,6g Pent 33mm/10m

Note: Mainly (?) used by the Navy and against ground and air targets.
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(This last picture is an adaption for the Mg151/20 and uses a different shorter tracer, which results in it beeing also a bit lighter)
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He:


Sprgr. L`Spur. m.Zerl. (Hefi-T Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 6,2g Pent (10,54g) 5mm/10m

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Sprgr. Erd. o.L'Spur. o.Zerl. (He) 0,120kg 900m/s 11g Pent (18,7g)

Note: Only against groundtargets.
(Couldnt find the correct drawing, the Br.Sprgr. o.L’Spur is basically the same, just different filler with Zink.
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Brsprgr. L'Spur m.Zerl. (Hefi-T Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 6,6g H.5 and Aluminium

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Brsprgr. vk. L'Spur m.Zerl (Hefi-T Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 19g H.5 and Zink

Note: Against Air and Ground targets, reduced tracer length for increased filler. The full feight of the H.5 and Zink mixture is 19g, not the pure He filler.
(first drawing is either a earlier model or a slighly too short drawn capacity.)
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(This italian drawing is more representative.)
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Brsprgr. o.L'Spur. m.Zerl. (Hef-I Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 20g H.5 and Zink

Note: Against ground and air targets. No tracer at all to have a fully capacity He (H.5) and Incendary (Zink) mix. (Weight calculated by Killakiwi 7g H.5 13g Zink)
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Minengeschoss:


M-Gesch. X m.Zerl (He-I (m) Sd.) 0,104kg 950m/s 25g HA 41 (40g)

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M-Gesch. X L'Spur m.Zerl (HeI-T (m) Sd.) 0,109kg 950m/s 24g HTA

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Source:
Munition der 2 cm Waffen
Handbuch des Bergepanzer T-34 (r)
Panzerkampfwagen T-34 747(r)
The Soviet T-34 Tank as Beutepanzer and Panzeratrappe in German Wehrmacht Service 1941-1945 (Jochen Vollert)

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+1 would be a nice event vehicle.

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Would be cool as an event vehicle +1

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+1, i also made a suggestion about this vehicle, but it didn’t get past the moderators.

As you can see on the second picture, it most likely had a crew of 4. And on the first picture, you can see some spare tracks and extra ammo.

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I want so much to recreate the line-up of the Schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 653 in game, that the addition of this SPAAG premium can only be appreciated.

+1

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+1!

I love my 4.3 lineup in Germany where the only German thing I have is an AA and a 109! If this is added then it’ll only be a 109 and I’m sure they’ll add a captured plane soon enough!

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A better(?) Wirbelwind! +1 for any of these weird one-off vehicles.

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+1. I quite like the idea, it could be a 4.3 BRish (RB) SPAA, as like a stop gap between the Wirblwind and the Ostwind 2 in the TT, or a premium, which I’d understand but would not mind as a TT vehicle

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+100 gun elevation. Interesting.

+1

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So high that it gets inverted 😂

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I dont think in-game our mouse can go beyond 90.

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Yeah. Maybe in a casemate

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Looks cool but I’m not sure what advantages this would have over the Wirbelwind and why one would chose this over the Wirbelwind in a lineup.

This could be a reason.

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I feel like it might have armor and mobility over the wirblewind. But maybe the turret traverse is slower

No? Its the exact same Flakvierling, it just has a different shild.

Oh ok. So defiantly would rather have this than the wirblewind. I can get more mobility and better armor (to an extent)

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A +1 from me, would be nice to see this in the game

gaijin will inexplicably turn this vehicle into a fake Mobelwagen just like they did with the poor Zerstörer 45…Anyway, does anyone know if this has better or worse ammunition capacity than a Wirbelwind?

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