They didn’t use ammo box for this one it’s not like the 30mm Mk 103/38 on the (3 cm Flak 103/38 auf Steyr 2000a) where the ammo box is directly attached to the gun the 3 cm Flakvierling have cylindrical-shaped magazines that were fixed to the gun but could be opened to place belt-fed ammunition inside of them
Thats what i wrote, round (as in shape) boxes (as in containment.)
Ooo yes at best these cylindrical-shaped magazines can’t even handle 20 rounds they are too small compared to ammo boxs use on the other Mk 103/38 but my idea is to use the same belts on the kugelblitz
This is just a worse Kugelblitz
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Gaijin not making an kitbashed abomination challenge (impossible)
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Yee i was really disappointed all the work wasted i thought we will end up with the wirbelwind configuration but we end up with this
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It’s just an over tiered flak panzer with no armour the only advantage it the quad 30mm
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They went with the one that was actually built.
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Kugelblitz is just better cause its not open topped too, open top AA will always be worse
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The Mobelwage was a testing bed it’s more likely that the wirbilwind configuration was actually built and tested
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It literally states in the source you provided that the mobelwagon version was the only one built.
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Gaijin can’t really work off of “likely”, can they?
We know there was a mobelwagen modified to have the quad mount MK 103s, as shown in one of your replies to this very topic, specifically to test this sort of tank.
We know that only 1 was possibly built, also as shown by one of your replies.
Your argument hangs on the possible chance that they didn’t consider that vehicle to be a Zestorer 45 and the Germans built the Wirbelwind turret with quad Mk 103s even though no document says that is the case.
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I didn’t provide any sources that says one Zerstörer 45 on Mobelwage was built plus all the pic shows the gun alone not installed on any type of chase why would they take the gun away from it’s chase if they didn’t installed it or try to install it on a new one or in a new configuration
You did.
Edit: My bad I confused people due to same profile icon.
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That’s not me
First it wasn’t my reply, seconds hell we have ho-ri production, R2Y2s and a Yak 141 with weapons and avionic systems that it didn’t use but all still be added in the game Gaijin can work with more than likely if they want to add something to the game, third the pics shows the gun alone and there is no pics or physical evidence that says that it was only installed on a Mobelwage, if it was only built on a Mobelwage why bother remove it from it if they don’t want to install it on a new chase or new configuration.
It literally states in the second pick only the mobelwagon version was built, with plans for a wirbelwind variant. Also the rules for planes are different than ground vehicles.
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I can’t prove my ideas since i don’t have strong evidence but if it was built in a Mobelwage configuration at least give it a proper shields
Both were added way back when rules were more relaxed and the R2Y2s have been stated quite a few times to be on the chopping block to be removed. Ho-Ris are complicated because Japan is overall a severely lacking nation in ground.
There was only 1 singular Yak-141 built, and to add it you either add the actual production version with all its mechanisms, or the actual prototype which would be entirely useless. Obviously Gaijin went with the first option.
Unlike the Yak-141, the Mobelwagen prototype of the Zestorer 45 isn’t useless since it has actual weapons, it just isn’t as good as the actual production version. Besides it has a far higher chance of having actually been built, since there are at least some sources that say it was built.
The picture shows the quad mount for the 3cm Flakvierling 103/38, which itself is a standalone project and doesn’t necessarily have to do with the Zestorer 45.
Lack of evidence is not an argument.
Except you don’t know if it was removed or not, you cannot make that claim. The Zestorer 45 was meant to make use of that quad mount, but the quad mount was still its own standalone project. Unless stated otherwise, every picture of it “alone” is entirely possible to be completely separate from the Zestorer 45.
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