Why should I play the Pantsir if the XM800T can shred me? The fact that you can’t get kills using your vehicle is literally the definition of a skill issue.
7.0 is reasonable
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Wanting kills isn’t a bad thing, but no one is forcing you to do it. I don’t have an issue with people playing SPAA like IFVs, but to claim you are forced to is insane.
The only people who have an issue with SPAAGs being decent in a flanking ambush are the same people who have an issue with flanking in general and think that all maps should just be a straight line with no hills, sniping, flanks, or cover.
What do you hope to achieve by comparing 8.7 light to 12.0 missile AA lmao
Next time you might wanna check stats before making such assumptions lmao.
It’s probably only 7.0 considering Gaijin broke how shells work for the 2nd time this year (or whenever the first time was)
Basically, moving means the thing that checks for pen bugs out, because it has to check if the shell is inside or outside the armor or something, and then checks if you can pen, but since it’s bugged, if you’re moving [Generally in reverse] it thinks the shell is outside the tank, leading to the whole ordeal we have now. People only think this is a Flak 341 problem because it got buffed in the same update that broke this. It’s doing it for other SPAA vehicles too, not just the Coelian.
If I had to guess, most people’s problem is either A) They don’t bother checking their surroundings before advancing, or at any time, really, which leads to them getting flanked, or B) They’re upset they have to put in more than an ounce of thought into killing an SPAA, rather than just being able to shoot any spot or 12.7 it, or even simply driving out in front of it to kill it because it “can’t do anything to me because it’s an SPAA” or some other strange logic that leads them to thinking they’re invincible.
It’ll probably go down to 6.7 once the bug is patched (Given the bug report was accepted recently), meaning it won’t be nearly as broken. I only say 6.7 and not back to 6.3 because it still got the APHE round buff.
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They should limit the AP belt for this thing
Nah it’s 7.0 now like the zsu 57-2
Yes, as they wouldn’t get insta-nuked by an overperforming sphere of death on penetration. The same would apply for other tanks, as well. Not everything is a cramped tuna can like the Ivan scrap, after all.
Neither do I, yet the status quo as it is isn’t exactly working, either.
“Nobody is forcing me,” yeah right. SPAAG which stay in their own spawns get swarmed by planes. If your attention is looking up, then you obviously can’t be looking around for tank threats nearby - and if you can’t clear your own way to make other areas of the map safe to then look up for aerial threats, you’re basically stuck in spawn.
At least that’s been my experience spading the majority of WW2 SPAAGs - sure I technically can move, but if its pretty much always going to result in my death when using a weak SPAAG that can’t defend itself vs most tanks, why even bother using the thing at all?
What do you hope to achieve by comparing a medium to a SPAA? I used it to show that you are making a ludicrous argument.
dont need to check stats when you tell me you cant kill SPAA
That’s what your team is for; you are not supposed to be in a 1v8. If that’s what ends up happening, chalk it up to a bad team, not a vehicle issue.
You also give away your position if you engage any aircraft. Any enemy that just happens to look your way will see tracers or a missile smoke trail pointing back to your exact position, even if you were out of the way and well-hidden.
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Absolutely not. It’s 7.0 now. Shall we limit the belt of ZSU-57-2?
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If you can’t multi-task that is on you. Turret rotation speed on the 341 is good enough to target ground and air one after the other at any point of the map. You’re probably one of those SPAAs who sits in spawn trying to shoot planes from 3-5KM away, letting the whole enemy team know where you are.
Like this guy.
Only thing 341 needs to watch for is CAS bombs (or Zumi rockets). In which it has never been easier to shoot a bomb out of the sky. You should never be sitting in spawn with a 341, whether you only like to SPAA or not.
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What is the point of 7.0 when it is now the only vehicle with that BR?
One uptier to 6.7 would be enough. Two are just classic Gaijin overreacting.
If it stays on 7.0 like ZSU57 (or 8.0 if you Taiwanese) then it should be rank V.
There was a bug where if APHE rounds hit the same area quick enough, the HE effect would stack. Basically meant you could fire like 50 rounds with 30g of TnT and it would act like 1.5kg of TnT.
To be fair, the Coelian is much more potent than the ZSU-57-2. While the Sparka is a bit more agile, it’s not actually faster due to ‘lol soviet gearing’, it has absolutely zero armor, and the gun handling is a comical disaster. It does have the advantage in pen, but there are very few times the Sparka will penetrate the Coelian will not (factoring in Coelian’s bullet hose effect going to hit weakpoints vs the limited RoF and horrendous gun handling of the ZSU - sure, ZSU can pen more of the leopardoids frontally than Coelian can, but the Coelian is still going to instantly cheese their turret undersides, turret ring, cutouts in mantlet, cupola, rangefinder…).
I’d take it 10 times out of 10, especially since one is an actual AA vehicle.
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Because of this “pen while moving bug” just go play M247, those 40mm just eats everything you face as soon the opponents start reverse, its instant kill no matter where you aiming.
Wrong. If someone has the 341, they’re going to have Panther 2 and KT 10.5. Throw in Battlepass + Horton or 262 and you have yourself a 7.0 lineup. I already posted the lineup above. But I’ll post it again just for you:
Without those vehicles, you will play 6.7, instead, and Gaijin has just moved you an SPAA down to 6.7.
TLDR: 7.0 is the War Thunder veterans lineup (aka those who ground out these vehicles before they were removed). 6.7 is the lineup for those who don’t have access to those vehicles.
Note: The chances of anyone having access to 341 and not KT 10.5/Panther2/Maus is absolutely slim to none, since Gaijin gave us all a fair warning they were going to be removed, and emphasized that everyone at least start the research on all three vehicles before they were to be removed.
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this whole exchange started because you responded to my comment
you now bring XM800T and Pantisir, two vehicles that cant even naturally meet in a matchmaker, into discussion.
You are showing everyone that you struggle with imagining how would you feel if you did not have breakfast this morning.
Might wanna learn how to not be deadweight to the team before trying to talk smack.
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