FIX the Tornado IDS WT61!

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The Tornado IDS WT61 is not a fighter. Despite the Aim-9Ls (which are completely garbage now btw- being highly susceptible to even a single flare, even more so than the R-60Ms), it cannot dogfight.

The premium tornado has one purpose: to bomb bases to grind the german air tree to unlock actually competent fighters for air and CAS for ground. At 11.3 it can’t do that. It doesn’t have air spawn and Chinese players in F-4s, F-104s, Mig-23s and basically everything else at 11.3 will beat you to bases.

Gaijin, how about you quit ripping people off by selling the damn thing, or make it viable again with a strike fighter spawn, or lower its BR so that it can do its job. Alternatively, how about you increase the number of bases so that I can still get RP.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

**Edit:

Also this thing can now see the Mig-21 BISON and F-16s. Who is balancing this game?

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Were they changed? They have always worked very well for me.

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Tornado IDS itself might had only one change.
Limitation of dropping bombs at high speed. (non exist->M 1.0)

He might be complaining because
There are tons of ‘Soviet fighter jets with napalm’ flying mindlessly to base, at a faster speed than Tornados thanks to the lighter weight of the payload.

If we compare all three rank 7 premium german jets.
(Lazur, Su-22 WTD, Tornado WTD)

MiG-21bis Lazur-M acts better at base bombing on the current meta
‘with a bit better a2a combat capability’

They always will fly faster than Tornados, They will always take base faster than Tornados.
then Tornado is forced to fight A2A against F-4S scumbags with sluggish attacker fuselage.

Thanks to Typical bomber-hating system problem of ARB since Lancasters vs Bf 109K or Ta-152

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This is a pretty classic case of ARB not being designed for Ground attackers. They really do need to work on improving ARB for them or adding an RB EC gamemode. in ASB, the Tornado is fantastic.

But could always be worse. You could be at 11.7 instead of 11.3 with the Tornado ASSTA1, Tornado Gr1 or Tornado A200A or you could have much weaker engines like the Tornado Gr1.

The recompression does suck

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This is very annoying. Aircraft with Napalm need to only run about 1/3 of the bomb load, all in aircraft that are faster and usually better armed. It could really do with a rebalance. Especially as some nations dont really get access to Napalm

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Fighters need to be prevented from using bombs or CAS in ARB honestly

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I was talking about aim 9ls

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Solution, remove Napalm from MiG-21/23’s. I don’t care about their grinding, they’re better off using their very capable fighters to PVP.

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Remove CAS ability during ARB to anyone but Strike fighters

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Oh. Sorry, I misread.

AIM-9L is still one of the best ‘non-IRCCM’ IR missiles.
But somewhat annoying to use when flying with Tornado IDS.

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Or just give it Aim-9Es and move it to 10.0

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Needs buffs/IR rework though, should be unflarable if the target is on reheat.

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No. Imagine a Tornado against 9.0 aircraft lmao.
They literally cannot do anything to it until it runs out of fuel.

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Weakest it ever used was Aim-9G at which point it would be like 11.0 when compared with the Jaguar Gr1A at 10.7. But the Tornado (at 11.3) is perfectly balanced for the BR. But ARB just sucks. Moving it to 10.0 wouldnt actually help all that much imo

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Not much different than the F-4C

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F-4C is slower, has no countermeasures.

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The F-4C is already weak at 10.0 specifically because it has no countermeasers.

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F-4C has a better gun and is better at turning

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The only reason the F-4C isn’t higher is because of the lack of CM’s.
The Tornado CANNOT go to 10.0, period.
There is quite literally nothing short of a Kfir Canard catching it if it goes down there.