The horten is probably the worst jet ingame for being an actual fighter its physically incapable of winning a fight against anyone who isnt braindead you can literally just turn left or right and then dive slightly and watch the 229 struggle to roll over and attempt to follow the same goes for pulling a vertical
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That’s why I used ”stealth” it did have ”stealth” properties because of its wood design, and charcoal mixture for glue, it only had the radar cross section of a P-51 mustang.
Just because its tail-less like a B-2 spirit, doesn’t mean it’s stealth, what do you think I am, a 4 year old?
Nope, stealth was never thought of once. It was just a bomber made of wood because they didn’t have the materials and/or it would have been better suited for the plane’s use regarding flight
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Bro just looked at the replay and went “nuh uh” LMAO
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Yes, I know, but it still had a much smaller radar cross section than its wingspan, from its size to the size of a P-51 mustang, which is much much smaller. Hence why stealth was in quotations.
I didn’t watch the replay. Anybody who’s informed on how this works knows individual performance and especially individual games do not matter. We’re comparing the planes and not the pilots.
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yeah… cause it’s made of wood.The aircraft was LITERALLY NEVER thought of as a “stealth aircraft” until coincidentally in the 1960s when one of the Horton brothers wanted a job for a USA contractor and basically greatly exaggerated his ideas with the ho229 to make his resume look good.
Hense why I, yet again, put stealth in quotations, because people call it “stealth”
We should simply destroy the myth by not mentioning it. It’s pure fiction.
Cool…
Watching the replay will show you that the community’s perception of this plane’s performance is wrong. The majority of the playerbase does not know how to use this plane at all.
Even if you will not discuss pilot skill and knowledge, we can still discuss machine abilities.
At max prop speed (generally speaking), 650 KMH IAS on the deck, the Horten can CLIMB. This means that any prop that chooses to chase a Horten, will find itself at a worsening energy disadvantage the longer the chase goes. This applies to many, if not all, early jets.
The Horten can maintain a rather tight turn at 550 KMH IAS. No prop can, and if it does maintain that speed, then it means the turning circle is as wide as somebody’s mother.
Sure, any plane can outroll the Horten. But what’s the next step in your rolling master plan? Realize that you just bled all of your energy? I reset and you’re not rolling out of my guns a second time with what speed you have left. Your options? None. None that I can think of at least.
Bad rudder? Rotate your head 90 degrees and the rudder becomes godly.
So you think you can outclimb my 24 m/s climb with 28 or 30 m/s or whatever. Alright, then you dive. But you can’t catch up to me because I’m going 900 in a shallow dive. Both go up after a brief chase, and the Horten will be higher than the prop. Game over.
Surely low speed battles can get you somewhere? You go slow. The Horten goes slow. But the Horten stalls at an incredibly low speed. You better pray you read the Horten’s energy state correctly, because you can’t roll at stall speeds either.
In summary:
Going fast? kills you.
Climbing? kills you.
Rolling? delays your death (kills you).
Going slow? kills you if you’re not careful, but you do get the best chance like that.
As a prop, your only choice in a 1v1 is making me overshoot when I’m compressing. Good luck trying that again if you miss.
I suggest actually watching the replay. Rolling didn’t get people much results other than delaying death. Yes I horribly missed the F89 a lot, but that’s my personal skill issue in that instance. The way he was flailing around did not help him in the slightest, and missing was completely on me. If you want to see rolling that actually made me miss, look at one of the F8Fs I killed.
But you know what? I’ll go with what one of the commenters here wrote. Lets put this plane at 6.7. I’m curious about what kind of suffering I can put F4Us, BF109G/Ks, Do 355s, J2M3s, various spits, and other 5.7s in full downtiers through.
I would absolutely not forgive Gaijin if they change the FM any more. It’s perfectly fine as it is.
Edit: here, have another cherry picked replay. It has baiting a million people (totally not a bad situation I got myself into, very tactical /s) by preserving energy in a turn (true), props failing to dodge, high speed chase after an F84B, and ending in a dogfight with a Yak-15. Despite all the rolling, the Yak didn’t get away. If it were a prop Yak, I would exit and rebuild energy.
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This was tested and did literally nothing to the RCS the charcoal mixture was literally just because they didnt have enough glue so had to improvise
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That just makes it even more hilarious
because I don’t care about your replay? Ok lmao
It’s not even my replay Super Dave. Someone gave you proof of how effective it is and you just go “nuh uh. I didn’t watch it so it isn’t real”
The horten isnt effective outside of CAS i dont think one’s ever killed me because of how piss poor its flight characteristics are, sure it can turn fast in flat 90° turns but thats it all you need to do to kill a horten is bait it into a turn so they’re rolled over and just pull up or make another sharp turn in the opposite direction there’s literally nothing they can do
This roll rate almost makes the stock F-15 look good
PLEASE watch the server replays I posted throughout this thread.
Turning is the last thing you want to do next to a Horten, unless you’re in a Vampire or a P59.
Why would i care about your server replay i always turn to engage hortens and force them to bleed all their energy trying to get on target because of their awful rollrate, a server replay getting a bunch of kills doesn’t mean the horten is good i could do the same in the french AD4 using it as a fighter and i have before
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You will see that the Horten barely loses energy in gentler turns, compared with pretty much any other plane it has to face.
The point of the replays is not the number of kills, but what the Horten was capable of doing to many different planes. That is what I’m trying to show. That props can’t do shit, regardless of rolling abilities.
