Armor of Leopard 2A4’s are not balanced, it should have 650mm RHAe (Rolled Homogeneus Armor equivalent) armor at chassis, and penetration level of Leopard 2A6 and Leopard 2A7V is not balanced. While Russian tanks has 400mm (150mm RHA at 68 degree angle) and it’s relict ERA has 250mm, so, it has 650mm which is realistic. But, Leopard 2’s should be able to penetrate Russian tanks (it has up to 950mm to 1000mm penetration with it’s L/55 DM53 irl, I’m not saying it should have 1000mm RHA penetration etc.)so, Leopard 2A6 and Leopard 2A7V should penetrate Russian tanks and 2A6 and 2A7 should have about 700mm-750mm penetration just t make sure it dcan penetrate Russian tanks, and not a bug etc happens. Also, APFSDS rounds should penetrate when it hits Leopard 2’s 82 degree angle chassis part.
Also, gun mounts stops APFSDS ammunition fully, it should not happen and it should get penetrated too, yeah, ghun mount can hold a few shrapnels and explosion of the ammunition inside can make it lose energy, but when you penetrate from mantlet armor/shield armor, it should penetrate gun mount and should spread “less shrapnels” than normal.
Babble Translator: Wants to be unkillable in his German tanks because he sucks.
I had low expectations when I opened StatShark but dear god.
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sources?
also no, it has same ish level of protection than the M1 Abrams, being better turret armor but worse hull
also Composite =/= RHAe
no?
DM53 firing using L/55 cannon does not achieve 1000mm rha pen, its more like ~700mm rha flat something but since that information is rather classified
gaijin use their calculator which calculated to 650mm flat
not a single apfsds can pen RU ufp, even tho it sound crazy, its true(also depend on WHAT T-xx it is)
what?
TLDR skill issue
I play this gameafter a 9 hour school which is tiring, also I play this game with a bad pc.
Isn’t it normal?
No its actually really, really bad. The average ground KS is ~0.6-7, and yours is less than half that. Please work on your own skill before asking for buffs on the best top tier MBT in the game.
most of the Russian tanks armor are near to same, and maximum at 650mm-700mm RHA equivalent(WİTH RELİCT) and you can understand I meant T-90M’s and T-80BVM’s even looking at the message.
L/44’s DM53 has 700mm RHA penetration while L/55’s DM53 has 950mm-1000mm. Most of the NATO’s guns are L/44 based, which makes sense why mostly L/44 statics are used.
RHAe isn’t also composite, it is the short term of RHA equivalent, which other tank materials are calculated with RHA equivalent.
Sources? The things I said are common facts about tanks, and there is files that got leaked. Don’t get me banned with making me sharing a government document. Also, since we know armor materials (etc.), it is easy to calculate the armor. Also, the length of the APFSDS round is the limit it can penetrate and when you give it more velocity, it’s getting pushed to it’s limits basically.
The penetration of DM53 is accurate.
698mm of penetration against a 60 degree plate from 2000 meters away.
349 /cos 60 = 698.
That is within margin of error of known information.
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DM53 also pens T-90A from over 1000 meters away on the UFP:
2A4 didn’t get the armor upgrades of 2A5 and later.
DM53 was not designed to defeat Relikt as Relikt didn’t exist yet; Relikt was made in part to protect against DM53 shots, and Relikt’s performance was “leaked” at a showcase.
It has 950-1000 millimeter RHA equivalent penetration at 0 degree angle (No angle), but in gmae, it doesn’t even has 700mm at 10 meters. Also, in real life, even tho DM53 isn’t designed to defeat Relict ERA, it can penetrate Russian tanks with relict ERA since it just makes enemy APFSDS lose some penetration with deforming the tip of APFSDS (which is averagely equals to 250mm). Continuing models of Leopard 2’s (the ones that after 2A6 including Leopard 2A6(Leopard 2A6, Leopard 2A7, Leopard 2A7A1(or simply Leopard 2A8))can penetrate Russian tanks in a combat irl.
600mm*, Leopard 2A4 has 600mm RHA equivalent chassis armor.
No 120mm ammunition has anywhere close to 850mm of angled pen let alone 1000.
And as proven in the post you replied to DM53 has 700mm of pen even above 1500 meters.
That is not the UFP though. thats the drivers hatch (or rather just below it where the UFP doesn’t have as many layers).
(That entire square Infront of the drivers head has less armor than the rest of the front plate)
If i shoot where your crosshair is in your image i get this:
Though OP is wrong you’re not doing yourself any favours by twisting things this way.
@Necronomica
Your post is claiming the entire UFP is the driver’s hatch; I hope that’s unintentionally. Then showing a screenshot of the driver’s hatch proving my post correct.
If you shot where my crosshair was, this is what you get:
There’s a reason I use the horizontal board across the front as my reference, at and below that board is far below the driver’s hatch.
sources?
sources?
no
severe skill issue
Where did i claim this?
Please quote where i said this.
I didn’t, in your fist screenshot you are shooting in an area that is lower armored than the rest of the UFP.
Here you go, exact spot, down to the same angle, position and exact mm of equivalent protection:
Zero penetration.
Edit:
Correction: rather slight penetration some of the time.
ok i think the way he implied is confusing
he shot differently and it penned and move his crosshair to show it penned but the way he said it is confusing so(hes always confusing people)
also theres funny stuff on RU vehicle for stuff like T-80UK or 90A theres a little gap in between ERA plates that can pen or non pen, but its luck and pixel hunt
If you check out Leopard 2A7’s penetration ability against T-90M (etc.) in real life, it can penetrate from chassis. It has 650mm to 700mm affect when it shoots to T-90M Proryv, T-80BVM (etc). older DM53’s can’t penetrate, but newer DM53’s can penetrate Russian tanks, at the limit. If the tank gives enough horizontal angle, but in game, it doesn’t even needs it.