The all aspect missiles deserve to be at a higher BR regardless of whether they get an airspawn or not.
It isnt about making these attackers competitive, its about reducing the frequency of unfair interactions
The IDS ASSTA1, IDS (1995) and Tornado GR.1, currently at 11.3, make sense to be at the same BR as the other tornadoes, but the ADV adn Tornado F.3 do not, these aircraft have four times as many AAMs.
okay but why does the document only show increased BR for Ground BR for the strike aircraft mentioned? It should be increased in Air RB as well as Ground BR with the 0.3 step. They still meet the same planes without countermeasures in Air RB, and it’s equally frustrating over there as well.
The planned BR change is for after the next major update, not with it
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that’s what it deserves, the only vehicle that can possibly counter it is the pantsir.
True, but J7E can dogfight anything up to a F15/F16, and it will rinse anything at the new BR in ground |(10.3) That plane has a 12.0 flight model. It is based on nothingsauce and poor statistics. There are multiple planes which will seep through BR cracks (Q5L etc)
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That’s just a massive buff to all CAS though. I mean, 90% of these changes are for GRB, not ARB, so I don’t know what everyone is excited about?
To give my contribution, why not to
- Give only rear aspect missiles on BR’s with planes without flares?
- Make other variants of the a10’s and Su25’s with all aspect missiles for the BR’s where EVERYBODY have flares?
If you give all aspect missiles then give all aspect missiles to every plane that have them in real life, not just the attack ones. Let everybody leverage their tactics at once.
No one will complain about lack of fairness if it reflects reality.
I have the feeling that, the more you entangle yourself with this need to control everything and the BR’s, the more you move away from the reality, the more complains you get, and BR changes get more and more difficult
Ah yep this is true, In that post I was entirely talking about air RB, probably should have clarified that.
I agree with you the J-7E at 10.3 will be very sus, looking forward ot facing that thing in an F-100. Im not too sure about the Q-5Ls CAS capability, I would have thought an uptier is ok if it was to be receiveing countermeasures.
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While good, excellence that you finally listen to the players, clearly this is all steming from the same problem and devs are juat putting bandaids on a missing limb, air battles need a complete rework. The reason strike aircraft, again aircraft designed and developed for cas, have low “efficiency” is because their primary targets are set up right in the kill zone of the enemy. You need to rework air battles to have better gameplay for all types of planes. Strick aircraft can defend themselves but give them the proper chance to do their job in a fun way
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nice to know you would rather screw over an entire BR bracket all for the sake of premium attackers… your colours really do shine bright on this one.
REMOVE AAMs from these attackers… they can stay at the BR, its not hard.
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I can think of too many planes in the game at that 9.3-10.7 BR range that had all aspect missiles IRL but dont in game, feel free to educate me if you can think of some. Furthermore, I think having too many all aspect missiles at this BR range would only make things worse.
I fully agree with the fact that any plane that can see flareless planes, especailly flareless planes without massive speed (a.k.a F-104J) should be limited to rear aspect missiles. However my opinion on this is not shared by all and I think it is very unlikely that Gaijin will remove the AIM-9Ls and R-60s any time soon.
I agree, controlling everything, i.e., making every plane balanced is too difficult. Decompressing the BRs would make it easier, but that is a seperate issue for another discussion, and Gaijin have expressed in the past their unwillingness to do this with… questionable… justification. What we should prioritise is making sure there are no interactions between planes that can ‘see’ each other that are inherently unfair, such as AIM-9Ls against flareless subsonics. If this requires making the A-10/Su-25s uncompetitive in air RB, so be it.
My brother in christ they are moving these planes up in BR
So what buffs are the 3 tornados on the TT getting?
- IRCCM Missile?
- 1520 more CMs?
- Finished and Buff FM?
- Radar?
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to a BR bracket that means nothing… the issue from day 1 has and will always be them getting access to all apsect missiles, remove that and your entire issue is solved period. instead they beat around the bush and community has throw a damn fit just to get them to see the stupid decisions. this isnt going to solve anything watch.
Great Idea! Solving Both the issue of strike aircraft feeling dull to play (never getting to the battlefield because of how slow they are ) while also relieving lower tier aircraft of dealing with All aspect missiles!
The A-10 is not and will never be a good grinder for Air RB. The AIM-9L has no place fighting flareless jets, subsonic or supersonic and I firmly believe the A-10 is the reason the F-104A and MiG-19 were moved down into a BR range where they were facing subsonic aircraft that could not do jack shit against them. This is a good compromise and if you can’t cope with not being able to press the “Haha I win” button then it shows a lack of skill and ability on your part.
Deal with it. This a good change for everyone else BUT the groundpounders.
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It doesnt ‘mean nothing,’ they will now see significantly fewer 9.0/9.3 aircraft. This change will increase the health of this BR range quite a lot. These are the changes we need to be showing gratitude for, not going on a tirade about it. I fully sympathise that these aircraft should not have had all aspect missiles from day 1, unfortunately it is not day 1 and I heavily doubt Gaijin would be prepared to give these attackers such a substantial nerf, especially since these aircraft rake in money for them. Drop that line of reasoning, it is simply not happening.
what part of them still facing jets without countermeasures are you just blatantly missing…
Su25s are going 10.3 because its 10.0 and one BR bracket up is 10.3 so unless that changes Su25s can still face these jest without CCMs:
F104A
F104C
F100D
F3H-2
F105
Mig19S
Mig23BN
Mig19PT
Mig21F-13
Yak38s
Hunter F6
Lightning F6
Harrier GR1
To name a few
Please actually use a braincell before commenting. these shouldnt EVER see ANYTHING with all aspect EVER, period. thats just awful balance no matter how you spin it. both should lose there all aspect AAMs
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As someone who has paid full price for the A6E, this is very upsetting. First of all, I agree with the opinion that it should not be able to face any enemy with a BR of 9.0. On the other hand, remotely skilled pilots, even at 9.3, can easily avoid being targeted by an A6E in most aircraft, and even shoot it down. As of right now, in most air battles the TRAM, it faces full uptiers where it is an easy kill for every single enemy, with guns or missiles, which is made significantly worse when running a heavy ground attack loadout (with a limited number of ground targets to begin with). It should not be able to face any of the 11.3s, let alone 11.7s. Moving the spawn forwards will also most likely result in the attackers being targeted first, possibly with radar missiles. That combined with it encountering even stronger SPAA in ground battles will make it borderline unusable in either mode. All of that could be solved by BR thorough br decompression, which would have these attackers face neither current 9.0 planes nor 11.3/11.7 aircraft but the devs do not seem to be willing to tackle that.
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