Feedback regarding recent update – adding vehicles to lineups

[LETHALWEAPONRAC1]

Welp… This at least answers that them being stock is now 100% intentional…

Glad to know this was changed last moment to make the randomly spawnable tanks 100% useless (lmao at using HEAT-FS with no laser rangefinder at BR’s 9.3+ what a joke just remove the feature at this point lol).

Overall a major dissapointment but not surprising at all for Gaijoob, they fumble even the most basic implementation of what should be amazing features.

I asked Smin about this (the randomly spawnable vehicles were 100% spaded on the dev server which made them actually useable) and recieved nothing but crickets while he skipped past my question and answered everyone else.

Common Gaijin L.

Le Bruh

[Ckasaron]

@LETHALWEAPONRAC1

I asked Smin about this (the randomly spawnable vehicles were 100% spaded on the dev server which made them actually useable) and recieved nothing but crickets while he skipped past my question and answered everyone else.

That is just sad, and needs reverting, immediately.

[Ckasaron]

@SturmMononobe

I agree completely, it makes me feel like there is no point on researching spaa… also it makes playing helis insanely hard.

There is still plenty of point researching SPAAG - first of all you can get better rounds or missiles than the default one. The default one serves as a backup to your other one.

[MotorolaCRO]

Not familiar with many of those, but some in there have ranked play which is something that WT lacks.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Ckasaron

This is probably the biggest reason I choose to ODL sometimes, and if that’s already apparent even in lower ranks where engagement ranges are much shorter, then yeah high tiers don’t interest me that much.

This looks like a half assed try to fix ODLs by people who own nothing else than a premium vehicle, without even taking into consideration why people ODL in the first place.

@Ckasaron

The crap keeping the CAS debate going. If every player now has counters in their lineup, then it is up to them whether they try to use them or not. If they choose not to, and proceed to complain, now they no longer get looked at as “helpless victims” needing handholding with more CAS weapon nerfs.

You aren’t getting AAs of your own max BR, so you’ll end with half assed option either way.

[Its_Filthy]

Ye I have been around gaming since '94 and seen a good few things. Ranked would be cool but does not feel suited to the game itself.

WT used to be the bridge between Wargaming titles and DCS.

Over the years, mainly since 2022, have watched it change it a cluster of decisions that has very much given the feeling of loosing the essence of what it was meant to be. Especially with decisions like this where 1. You as a new player is enabled to buy your way into top tier and 2. You get given extra things to stay in match that does not really add to the battle. Personally I have gone from a sweat that played daily to maybe touching the game once or twice a week and more casual. The entire in-game sensation feels that of holding hands to get a participation trophy.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Its Filthy

The entire in-game sensation feels that of holding hands to get a participation trophy.

I doubt Gaijin wants to have a high skill floor barrier for entry in WT, as they make a lot of money on newcomers. At this point I highly doubt we’ll see something really being done about match quality.

[adrianstu_98]

The introduction of the extra anti-aircraft is an absolute disaster. It makes the use of helicopters IMPOSSIBLE.

[Ckasaron]

@MotorolaCRO

This looks like a half assed try to fix ODLs by people who own nothing else than a premium vehicle, without even taking into consideration why people ODL in the first place.

This is true, but I do believe the concept could fix other thorny problems, given how well it helped fix corresponding issues in Naval, where default planes and effective AAA killed off all talk of “naval only mode” permanently.

@MotorolaCRO

You aren’t getting AAs of your own max BR, so you’ll end with half assed option either way.

Again, I agree mainly with the concept, but do also agree with most people here that the execution was pretty damn bad.

The concept of giving all players default SPAAG/SAMs, alongside default Fighters and CAS like Naval does, provided the former were buffed to ensure they’re actually effective and as easy to use against CAS as CAS is against tanks, would help solve a large fraction of the CAS problem. Anyone who wanted to try killing it themselves would now be able to whether they ground out the counters themselves or not. And the people who don’t no longer have an excuse to complain, only being able to blame themselves.

[F-16D_Barak_II]

It annoyed me quite a bit that you can just straight up get the top tier SPAA for free instead of having to grind for them now

[Creastroy]

@Necronomica

The feature was added to combat those that leave the match after one death. The vehicles that you get access to are stock and a lower BR than the highest one you have in your lineup (sort of).

Wait then why would anyone spawn them?

Now the most spawned one is the pantsir which does not really need mods for 90% capabilities lol

[QTip_44]

@adrianstu_98

The introduction of the extra anti-aircraft is an absolute disaster. It makes the use of helicopters IMPOSSIBLE.

You mean the stock vehicles on loan in battle with recruit level crew?

How did you use helicopters when a player used his own moded spaa with Experienced or Aced crew?

[NoylDestroyer_St]

@SwingfireOP

No parts
No fpe
Stock ammo
Crew level 1

Agree…
At least give me parts and FPE with the same level crew i have personally in the hangar…i literally nearly died 3 times cause of lack of good ammo,no parts and lvl 1 crew

And note that if you already have that vehicle but not put in the lineup
You will still receive a stock tank with lvl 1 crew…

[adrianstu_98]

Try to face 6 Pantsir at a time being the only helicopter

[Ckasaron]

@NoylDestroyer_St

And note that if you already have that vehicle but not put in the lineup
You will still receive a stock tank with lvl 1 crew…

Yeah this just dumb.

[SwingfireOP]

Accidentally spawned a desert warrior like this earlier. It was awful, lol.

[seraphiinebyte]

To further add, this mechanic is so useless that even if you have the damn tank spaded, the game will STILL give you it stock.
I had the Type 90 spaded and experted, yet…
It literally serves zero purpose other than being RP and SP pinata. Not even as lineup filler

[NoylDestroyer_St]

@adrianstu_98

Try to face 6 Pantsir at a time being the only helicopter

Thats good actually lol

[NoylDestroyer_St]

I do understand why they wont put spaded vehicles nor maxed crews,i totally get it but cmon,dont even put stocks tanks and lvl 1 crews either

Since it a mechanic that works only 9.3+,tanks given should be equipped with Parts,FPE and Laser Range finder with at least 50 or 75 (Crew points balanced) OR at least,make the crew level be the ones you have in the hangar already

That would be a properly implemented mechanic

Cause this aint fun,nor repairing for 80 seconds to just move around at 2 kmh with no breach nor cannon,missfiring non stop and your ammo doing no damage

[kedrigern]

@Necronomica

So you won’t get access to vehicles that are above the ones you are playing.

he has only 11.7 T80UM2 and got uptiered, now he has access to a pantsir that is above his only vehicle because the vehicles given are based on both the vehicles BR brought and the BR range of the match. So in a way you definitely do get access to vehicles that are above the players own vehicle.

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@WrobelAPB

I believe this update should be reconsidered or reworked

The free vehicles are basically worthless for every other nation that isnt russia. With USA and China being just barely worth it.
Assuming you brought top top tier plane (or got uptiered from 11.7-12.0) and lets say a light tank you will get a tank with lvl 1 crew and stock modifications, even if you own that vehicle and fully spaded it.
This generally means your tank thats given to you is horrible to drive because driving is 0, horrible to aim because targetting is 0 (so you dont even get the horizontal and vertical aiming at the same time), one FPE, no thermals or LR and armed with only HEATFS which at top tier is even worse to use than straight up HE shells.
The MBTs are simply just not worth it because you are artificially getting cucked by the crew and lack of modifications.

As for SPAAs, again, Russia gets Pantsir and China CSSA5 for free which is pretty busted while other nations get jack shit. USA atleast gets ADATS that you can use as a TD.
Israel is just sad because their next best SPAA that isnt spyder is a chaparral and since its stock it doesnt even get the better missiles, it uses the MIM72E which can get flared. Germany gets Flarakrad but without smokes so again, worthless and as Japan i get beautiful and absolutely worthless TanSamKai with schizo radar.

Then you get into games and its so abysmally annoying, since SPAA cost is lower than MBTs, even if you end up killing a dude like 1-4 times hes just gonna bring an SPAA. This would be fine, however when theres 6 Pantsirs at all time, its just bothersome. Most of these people are also not good at playing SPAA or have never played top tier SPAA before so they end up just being at most an obnoxious speed bumb for CAS in essence. Like for example here:

And with the availability of pantsir to everyone, most of my matches at 12.7-13.0 are literally just quarter of my team spawns SPAA and is masturbating in the spawn while im trying to do LITERALLY ANYTHING.
It helps noone, just makes the matches worse for everyone.

It makes it worse for ground players because now theres 7 more SPAAs that could have been tanks with these free SPAAs not even moving out of spawn or positioning properly.

It makes it worse for planes or helis because while its not hard to kill them its just obnoxious to spend 5 minutes trimming the fat down instead of helping the team, plus while you can dodge pantsir missiles pretty easily, if youre using stuff like F2A (like i am at this moment) having access to only JDAMs means i have to actively hunt down ever single SPAA because they will just intercept my stuff since even a blind man can intercept a glide bomb, which is more of an annoyance than a threat.
And again, this is only with russia/china on the enemy team thanks to that PESA/TWS radar. Against other nations the chances that they will intercept stuff are much lower.

Also lastly it doesnt even help the SPAA players. The competency of people using the free-SPAA spawns is like, below 0 but what they do is they alert every single plane to start evading early which when im in a tan sam (or the kai version with radar down to be more sneaky) with limited range doesnt help me one bit when the plane starts evading before reaching my effective range.

Stop flagging shit you dont agree with, genuinely worse than reddit.