slightly but absolutely not enough, and not even include J10C. J10 can pull an overG of 15-18G after the buff and at that time they didn’t add enough strength. But I’d say this nerf is not unfair as it is actually real data. However, PL12 nerf is really unfair for they nerf with no reason. Or if they nerf without any recources why not add some nonexistent buff like the R77-1?
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Really? Don’t you see so many players complain about Russia Bias that even the word “Russia Bias” is allowed to exist in such a strict underground kingdom like this community? And have you seen how hard it is for the China tech tree to get a fair buff? Just search “DHL explosive” or other issues about the Chinese tech tree in the Issue section and you will see how hilarious it is for the manager to reject fair issues about the Chinese tech tree.
And don’t mention all the Leopard 2s still have 7-second reloading after getting such a massive basket, and a ridiculous front armor that has less than 570mm KE protection except the A7V. And how about the US air tree where the country with the best airforce still gets 14.3 as top-tier? They could have made the F-15EX but they didn’t.
Back to the China tech tree—what “1080P” said, “no proof that the VT-4, VT-4A1, and other top-tier Chinese MBTs used the same autoloader,” is already funny enough and shows the attitude how they treat the Chinese tech tree.
And do you know who gets extra treatment among minor tech trees? Before adding the bustle to the Leopard 2 series, it was Sweden. Now it’s the Japan tech tree and the France air tech tree. If adding Thailand is because of the cooperation relationship with Japan in WWII, then what’s the reason for adding Malaysia’s Su-30 and Indonesia’s Leopard 2, which has better KE protection on the front armor?
And the performance of the Rafale—I don’t need to say anymore.
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Yeah I agree.
I never stated anything about their not being Russian bias? I’m pretty vocal about Russia being treated with a certain favoritism not seen in other trees.
And China really hasn’t had a rough go of it yes there is certain things that took a while to patch but their is unresolved accepted bug reports for another nations that were accepted before the Chinese bug reports were made and still have not been fixed.
You complain about France and Japan which are two crazy nations to complain about getting favoritism, considering both of their top tier Mbts have been treated far worse than the Chinese top tier mbts which have already been fixed and buffed while both of those tech tree’s MBTs have been left to rot, not to mention based off the last Dev server it seems Gajin has no interest in even starting to fix the type ten and are more on course for making it worse than it currently is.
But you’re complaining about them getting unfair treatment because they have two good vehicles at top tier, China got an Abrams it has no right to and didn’t have to give its export vehicles to another country in a massive double standard by gajin.
This argument is even more ridiculous when you realize Japan has some of the most nerfed vehicles in the game’s history in the Type 74’s and Type 89 which have seen an ungodly amount of changes and nerfs to them, with things like the STB-1 going from one of the best vehicles to one of the worst vehicles in its BR. Or the treatment of Japanese Zero’s or French Mid tier getting up tiered beyond what’s truly reasonable.
But since you seem to believe Gajin hates China let me ask why does china have some of the best things in the game?
You have the J7D arguably the best fighter br for br in the game, until the T-34 STP you had the best t-34 in game, You have multiple broken vehicles at reserve tier, you have a stellar 11.0 br range of vehicles, you have insanely good helicopters across the board arguably the best helicopters.
You’re the only other country in the game besides France that gets MICA’s. You got some of the best HARMS in game in the most recent update, You have solid SPAA across most of the tech tree including two great top tier spaa with the CSA5 being fantastic against the HARM aircraft. You see vehicles like the ZTZ59D1 which is an amazing tank to play.
You complain about the tech tree being treated unfairly yet its always been a good tech tree, not the best but far from ever being the worse always having vehicles that are competitive in the Meta, and quite frankly within the scope of the games life having quite quick fixes to tanks and other vehicles.
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Ok, all I am focusing on is the top tire as top tire is the tire with the most player except the premium tire where most player grind, and all they grind is for the top tire.
And what I said is France Air techtree get favoritism or Rafele in specific. Type 10 got the best reloading in the game, what do Chinese MBT get in the best? Besides Japan got a Leopard2 better than german’s Leopard2.
Are you saying part of China should not belong to China? Besides China have export vehicle but Gaijin just didn’t arrange it. Speaking of no right to get, what is the reason that Japan tech tree can have Malaysia and Indonesia’s vehicles as sub-techtree? Is is because Japan brutally and crucially invade, occupy, and blunder the human and material resource from them with inhuman and atrocious acts?
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If you say so, let’s look at type5 HO-RI production which actually had never been produced, not even exist on the blueprint, and it is stronger than object 268 who is already an OP vehicle, what is the reason Japan get it? And let’s look at the new strike aircraft Japan got—L-39 who has CCIP and ZUNI and Hydra-70 rocket in BR 7.3.
Still I am here restate that part of China is still China.
Which one? Besides all the ARMs are real existed in real life which has actual statistic and evidence and there is enough convincing reason to have the ARMs, comparing somethings I said about Japan techtree above.
It seems what you are trying to say is that if Chinese techtree has few and slightly OP vehicles in low BR or other techtree, then it is treated well dispite the overall Chinese tech is biased, and If Japan or other techtree has slightly or few vehicles get unfiar treated then they do not get any favoritism from Gaijin. That doesn’t add up
The real issue isn’t “which tree is worse”—it’s that we should all unite against any unfair buff or nerf, regardless of which tech tree it affects . This isn’t China vs Japan or other techtree. This is players vs inconsistent data.
I’m not here to argue which tree is “more oppressed.” I’m saying this: when any tech tree gets an unfair nerf or an unjustified buff, all players should speak up. You stand up for others today, and others will stand up for you tomorrow. That’s what a healthy community should look like.
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Oh, by the way, the former Gaijin employee Keofox had comfirmed that Gaijin not only treat CN area differently but also discriminate other Russian employees in the company.
Definitely speed
Fairly certain they mean the YJ91 L111/112/113, those have a ramjet engine and that makes them very fast alongside the X-31s compared to other ARMs
99A
type10
ArieteAMV
Leclercs1
T80BVM
Statistically 99A is not the fastest, and from the actual gameplay, usually T-80BVM is the fastest as it has much higher acceleration.
China bought KH31 then imitate and enhance, so YJ91 start as KH31.
Hello may I know what data you’re talking about, I don’t recall any data suggesting j10c being able to pull 15g
Check my review before I talked about that.
You mean about buffing J10 structural integrity? Yea gaijin did that without any source it’s more balance thing than realism in my opinion
I say nerf is kind convincing, but they could have done something else
They didn’t do it to J10C plus the structural integrity now is useless as J10A will not be able to pull that much overload.
Oh I see. You might be right, since the cause of these problems seem to be due to the changing of the elevator and pitch control
I went to test drive and both J-10A and J-10C seem to be able to pull 15gs when rolling under stock loadout and 30% fuel(min fuel). Can only pull max around 14gs when turning but my testing may be flawed because both my planes are stock condition.
Hydraulic matters a lot, and after the nerf J10 series can pull only about 12G maximum maybe? I played J10c and felt there is a huge difference before and after the newest nerf on overload, but I did not pay too much attention to the actual statistic or test them as the felling is too obvious
But what matters the most is that PL12’s nerf really makes no sense at all and that is why I say it’s not fair. I’d say the biggest and most important problem that China techtree have rightnow is the PL12.
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Yes I agree
I’ll take you word
I tested starting at 3km- alt- went to around 1000kmph and pulled stick wing to floor.
J10-A 9 G
J10- C 10 G
Flanker 12G
Very crude and unscientific test but just wanted to see what it pulled. As it just felt wrong in game and as i had the pl12 rolled in the 2nd game i played. Its another jet in the garbage never to be used again.
In the previous version, the PL-12 could easily pull 35G of overload, but in the current version, even pulling 28G is a real struggle — and more often than not, it can’t even manage 25G, which is seriously impacting the actual gameplay experience. Picture 1 shows the previous version, Picture 2 shows the current version, and Picture 3 shows the overload levels of various air-to-air missiles in the current version. You can clearly see the PL-12 has been nerfed and is suffering from severe high-speed control locking issues.
I’m not asking for it to hit the 38G overload listed on its stat card, but what’s the point of it not even being able to reach the 35G level it had in the previous version? In China’s top-tier air battles, the only usable missiles are the PL-12 and PL-12A — the changes to the PL-12 have completely ruined the experience for China’s top-tier aircraft.
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