according to my experience it most definitely is derived from the model for most missiles
whats its file name, ill check
Just check the spreadsheet, almost all ARH for example (R-77´s 120´s MICA) share the same distfromCMtoStab which is very unlikely to be the case irl (missile spreadsheet)
from what i can see, its values should be different, meaning its not correctly set up
wdym
they should be higher
meaning the PID will ofc have to be adjusted to accomodate these changes
PID would have to pull less but the fins themselves will perform better
yeah which just proves my point that the distfromCMtoStab values are chosen arbitrarily and dont reflect any irl metrics
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which is worse imo
as far as certain missiles are concerned, they do seem to be arbitrary, i cant say for certain as a blanket statement yet
only ones that seems kinda realistic is the AAM4´s and Fakour´s with 0.25 and 0.35 respectively (would be funny if gaijin nuked those ones too)
i wonder why they started rejecting reports on datamined values kek
Su-30MKK:
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Gaijin could have easily weakened the Su-30MKK by removing the PL-12, since there’s insufficient evidence to prove its capability to carry it. Now, the entire PLAAF is being forced to pay the price.
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They have R-77s
The PL-12 nuke doesn’t particularly affect them lmao
Still undertiered af
Bruh there were more than enough photos and documents that showed MKK was capable of carrying Pl-12’s, in fact it was posted on forum multiple times and China specifically requested those flankers to be compatible with Pl-12 from the beginning Irrc.
Also if Pl-12 was nerfed due to MKK then R-77 would’ve face the same issue due to both MK2/MKK carrying it at the same br.
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Agreed
Proof that mods are just volunteers. They are more likely to operate under specific instructions. Eg, mod manager says pl12 related issues should nab-ed, then they will all be nab-ed.
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I’m more interested in why they reject basic math (+with reasonable amount of room for error/conservative estimates). Math don’t lie, even if misinterpreted sources and/or AI-fabricated bug reports do 😎
(Though to answer your question on a guess: datamined values don’t really show the entire context as to why a certain thing in-game performs the way it does and how it meshes with everything else in the background… or something)
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This is a game with simplified physics. Almost all missiles have standard values, and only their manoeuvrability and range are different. Therefore, arguing that, physically and aerodynamically, the missile should behave in a certain way doesn’t really make much sense. Ultimately, it’s all a question of balance.
It’s not straight forward though, since only within sort of 4/5km or 50/60 degree off bore site does PL-12 win, outside of 4/5km it loses to AMRAAM and above 50/60 degrees depending on speed both will miss, so the actual HOBS scenario where PL-12 wins is actually far narrower than u think where it wins most of the times, it is actually only a meaningful 1-1.5 km range window where it wins.
PID values are not really why they are rollable, the CM to stab value is. PID values just decreases wobbling which it does time and time again.
you assume a lot without much proof. have you checked all missiles?
i assume you there is a vast variation between such statistics if we include ALL missiles in game
so if i argue that physically and aerodynamically, an aircraft should behave in a certain way also doesnt make much sense?
your logic i cannot follow
Yes, in Warthunder, physics and aerodynamics don’t matter. Planes can reach 15G, and missiles aren’t even 50% accurate in terms of mechanics. This is a game, so stop comparing it to real life at the end of the day, it’s just a game.